Comments on: Whole Body Vibration Research Reference http://www.vibrationtraining.net An evidence-based forum about whole body vibration and the true health, wellness and fitness benefits of this technology. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:04:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: nicole http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-1958 nicole Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:26:17 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-1958 I went on a vibratrain in Northland. Proper vibratrain machine and definantly not the cheap variety and I got Cervical nerve impingement, damage to my neck, arms and hands. I have been in constant pain for 5 months now. I did not have any medical problems before I started the vibratrain, but I have had nothing but problems after being on one. I use to be very strong, now I can't pick up anything that is too heavy. My partner went back to the vibratrain gym, they of course didn't want to believe it was there fault and said I must of had a problem in the first place. NO WAY DID I HAVE THE PROBLEM. I went on a vibratrain in Northland. Proper vibratrain machine and definantly not the cheap variety and I got Cervical nerve impingement, damage to my neck, arms and hands. I have been in constant pain for 5 months now. I did not have any medical problems before I started the vibratrain, but I have had nothing but problems after being on one. I use to be very strong, now I can’t pick up anything that is too heavy. My partner went back to the vibratrain gym, they of course didn’t want to believe it was there fault and said I must of had a problem in the first place. NO WAY DID I HAVE THE PROBLEM.

]]> By: John http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-765 John Sun, 24 May 2009 19:36:24 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-765 Does anyone know about this: on trollerbk.com website it states that in January 2009 Juvent Medical filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Should this affect one buying one of their machines? Does anyone know about this: on trollerbk.com website it states that in January 2009 Juvent Medical filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Should this affect one buying one of their machines?

]]> By: willie nugent http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-760 willie nugent Sat, 23 May 2009 09:50:27 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-760 Would you please give me the link to the website of the guy who does the independent reviews of WBV machines.I read the post about the DKN machine but cant find the post now.As always i apreciate your help. Would you please give me the link to the website of the guy who does the independent reviews of WBV machines.I read the post about the DKN machine but cant find the post now.As always i apreciate your help.

]]> By: John http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-735 John Fri, 22 May 2009 03:59:18 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-735 One clarification on my just issued comments: The Proform Activator V7 sold by Costo has the same name, Proform Activator V7, sold by Proform and others, at radically different prices. Icon stated that the machines are all the same machine; they also look 100% identical, and they are all called by the same model name, Activator V7. Difference in prices: from $399 up to $1299!!! One clarification on my just issued comments: The Proform Activator V7 sold by Costo has the same name, Proform Activator V7, sold by Proform and others, at radically different prices. Icon stated that the machines are all the same machine; they also look 100% identical, and they are all called by the same model name, Activator V7. Difference in prices: from $399 up to $1299!!!

]]> By: John http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-738 John Thu, 21 May 2009 19:55:20 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-738 You are right about marketing hype. Early I had reported that someone at Proform stated that the Proform Activator V7 sold by Costco (for $399) is an inferior machine to those sold at Proform's website ($999 on sale, regular $1299) and others (at similar prices to Proform's). Well, I checked that statement out with Icon (the manufacturers? or distributors? of the Activator V7). They said that the machine sold at Costco IS THE SAME quality as sold by Proform, etc., etc. As Mr. Spock would say, "FASCINATING!!!" Or would it be, "Most illogical." You are right about marketing hype. Early I had reported that someone at Proform stated that the Proform Activator V7 sold by Costco (for $399) is an inferior machine to those sold at Proform’s website ($999 on sale, regular $1299) and others (at similar prices to Proform’s). Well, I checked that statement out with Icon (the manufacturers? or distributors? of the Activator V7). They said that the machine sold at Costco IS THE SAME quality as sold by Proform, etc., etc. As Mr. Spock would say, “FASCINATING!!!” Or would it be, “Most illogical.”

]]> By: John http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-764 John Thu, 21 May 2009 10:28:49 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-764 Again, thanks for your responses on the "g" force issue. You recommended the Proform Activator V7 in my situation with my wife. Does anyone know what the "g" force is on that machine? I called Proform and they have no idea! Looking at pictures of that machine, how does it have any amplitude to speak of....it "appears" in the pictures that the motor underneath the plate does not rest "on top of" anything, and therefore, how can it be pushing on the plate one stands on? Again, this is only an impression from the pictures I have seen on the internet. Thanks!!! P.S. My main interest is in bone density issues, so the Juvent may be a very viable candidate for purchase. But your recommendation of the Proform Activator V7 for more general uses does interest me. Again, thanks for your responses on the “g” force issue. You recommended the Proform Activator V7 in my situation with my wife. Does anyone know what the “g” force is on that machine? I called Proform and they have no idea!

Looking at pictures of that machine, how does it have any amplitude to speak of….it “appears” in the pictures that the motor underneath the plate does not rest “on top of” anything, and therefore, how can it be pushing on the plate one stands on? Again, this is only an impression from the pictures I have seen on the internet. Thanks!!!

P.S. My main interest is in bone density issues, so the Juvent may be a very viable candidate for purchase. But your recommendation of the Proform Activator V7 for more general uses does interest me.

]]> By: John http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-763 John Thu, 21 May 2009 02:56:24 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-763 If needed, I can later give the various references, and more details etc., but for now a real high level statement/question... According to some medical studies/government findings it appears that any more than 1 g force is not good at the various frequencies often discussed in this forum. For example, ISO 2631, etc. I have seen a machine by Juvent, the Juvent 1000, that uses an actuator, not a motor, and has a force of .3g at a frequency range of about 32 - 37 Hz, with an amplitude equal to the thickness of a few human hairs. THis machine apparently has a good history of research backing it, and has been approved in Canada, Europe, Australia, etc. for treating bone density issues, and is currently being examined by the FDA for approval to treat bone loss issues. Thoughts? Comments? If needed, I can later give the various references, and more details etc., but for now a real high level statement/question…

According to some medical studies/government findings it appears that any more than 1 g force is not good at the various frequencies often discussed in this forum. For example, ISO 2631, etc.

I have seen a machine by Juvent, the Juvent 1000, that uses an actuator, not a motor, and has a force of .3g at a frequency range of about 32 – 37 Hz, with an amplitude equal to the thickness of a few human hairs. THis machine apparently has a good history of research backing it, and has been approved in Canada, Europe, Australia, etc. for treating bone density issues, and is currently being examined by the FDA for approval to treat bone loss issues.

Thoughts? Comments?

]]> By: Gabriel http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-762 Gabriel Thu, 21 May 2009 00:27:14 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-762 That information certainly helps. I am assuming it is a LUMBAR spondylolisthesis? It would be rare to see this in the neck. Do you know what grade spondylolisthesis you have (1 - 5)? This is important information when establishing the degree of risk with ALL exercise....not just vibration training. The higher the grade the more potential for injury. The bottom line is that as long as you are stable and avoid positions of increased low back extension(arching), you should be fine. Watch the arch with the squat, pushup, and plank. Maintaining proper form is key no matter what issues you may have. Let us know what the doctor thinks about the headache issue and if you cannot get rid of it despite perfect positioning and reducing the frequency and amplitude on the platform, it may unfortunately just not be appropriate for you. I think you will find a solution however so be patient. That information certainly helps. I am assuming it is a LUMBAR spondylolisthesis? It would be rare to see this in the neck. Do you know what grade spondylolisthesis you have (1 – 5)? This is important information when establishing the degree of risk with ALL exercise….not just vibration training. The higher the grade the more potential for injury. The bottom line is that as long as you are stable and avoid positions of increased low back extension(arching), you should be fine. Watch the arch with the squat, pushup, and plank. Maintaining proper form is key no matter what issues you may have.

Let us know what the doctor thinks about the headache issue and if you cannot get rid of it despite perfect positioning and reducing the frequency and amplitude on the platform, it may unfortunately just not be appropriate for you. I think you will find a solution however so be patient.

]]> By: Robin Dior http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-749 Robin Dior Wed, 20 May 2009 17:47:04 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-749 Just to clarify, I do have diagnosed spondylolithesis (sorry I got the name wrong before). Does that condition disqualify me from using the machine? My major concern is the sharp pain in my head I get only when I am standing on the pivotal machine at higher frequencies. But I am seeing the doc tomorow. Thanks. Just to clarify, I do have diagnosed spondylolithesis (sorry I got the name wrong before). Does that condition disqualify me from using the machine? My major concern is the sharp pain in my head I get only when I am standing on the pivotal machine at higher frequencies. But I am seeing the doc tomorow. Thanks.

]]> By: Di Heap http://www.vibrationtraining.net/guides/research/#comment-761 Di Heap Wed, 20 May 2009 04:30:37 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/research/#comment-761 Robin, you haven't said that you have a properly diagnosed back problem, have you or are you just guessing? Did you have back pain or headaches before you first used your machine? If you are female you might consider hormonal reasons including any contraception meds you might be taking. BUT this is all conjecture, If you still have a headache and you've stopped using the machine for two days, see a doctor. Robin, you haven’t said that you have a properly diagnosed back problem, have you or are you just guessing? Did you have back pain or headaches before you first used your machine? If you are female you might consider hormonal reasons including any contraception meds you might be taking. BUT this is all conjecture, If you still have a headache and you’ve stopped using the machine for two days, see a doctor.

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