Comments for Vibration Training http://www.vibrationtraining.net An evidence-based forum about whole body vibration and the true health, wellness and fitness benefits of this technology. Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:31:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 Comment on How to Properly Select a Platform – Part II by Gabriel Ettenson http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2011/08/how-to-properly-select-a-platform-part-ii/#comment-4572 Gabriel Ettenson Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:31:45 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1059#comment-4572 To summarize and present the research surrounding WBV clearly is a difficult task. Between the various machines used (most of which were never tested to verify their specs), the many different exercise protocols, the many different patient populations and parameters studied etc., it just became too time consuming. At the same time, after working quite hard on it, we also realized that no one on this site seemed interested in this depth of content. Therefore, we abandoned it and focused on more important tasks. Having that been said, if you desire a reference for something specific, let me know and I will do my best to direct you the study and/or site where you can look through it. I do believe in evidence, but as my entire profession refuses to do anything new because of their "evidence-based" mentality, I am much more into the "evidence of no harm" approach. You can wait for 30 years if you choose. I am about helping people today. Western medicine is emergency medicine and failing our population miserably. This is becoming quite clearer by the day. To summarize and present the research surrounding WBV clearly is a difficult task. Between the various machines used (most of which were never tested to verify their specs), the many different exercise protocols, the many different patient populations and parameters studied etc., it just became too time consuming. At the same time, after working quite hard on it, we also realized that no one on this site seemed interested in this depth of content. Therefore, we abandoned it and focused on more important tasks.

Having that been said, if you desire a reference for something specific, let me know and I will do my best to direct you the study and/or site where you can look through it. I do believe in evidence, but as my entire profession refuses to do anything new because of their “evidence-based” mentality, I am much more into the “evidence of no harm” approach. You can wait for 30 years if you choose. I am about helping people today. Western medicine is emergency medicine and failing our population miserably. This is becoming quite clearer by the day.

]]> Comment on Therapeutic Vibes: A Physio’s Experiences With Vibration Therapy by Gabriel Ettenson http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/03/theraputic-vibes-a-physios-experiences-with-vibration-therapy/#comment-4571 Gabriel Ettenson Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:23:09 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=310#comment-4571 Hello Dr. S, Thank you for your comments. I completely agree with you on TENS. It has its place with severe acute pain situations, but not as a long term solution to pain. Having that been said, this article is not discussing TENS. We are discussing what is known as Whole Body Vibration. If you take some time to understand how this technology / approach works, I think you will find that it meets all your criteria for providing a functional benefit to the individual while at the same time assisting in the alteration of sensory feedback mechanisms (converting nociceptors to non-nociceptors) and thus pain perception. Of course pain is influenced by many different variables so any mechanism based on treating pain is going to differ in its efficacy from one person and one study to the next. This brings me to the next point....no "evidence" on pain relief can be taken at face value as pain is completely subjective and cannot be measured. I'll play ball though, can you provide the references to you "evidence based" comments? Hello Dr. S,

Thank you for your comments. I completely agree with you on TENS. It has its place with severe acute pain situations, but not as a long term solution to pain. Having that been said, this article is not discussing TENS. We are discussing what is known as Whole Body Vibration. If you take some time to understand how this technology / approach works, I think you will find that it meets all your criteria for providing a functional benefit to the individual while at the same time assisting in the alteration of sensory feedback mechanisms (converting nociceptors to non-nociceptors) and thus pain perception. Of course pain is influenced by many different variables so any mechanism based on treating pain is going to differ in its efficacy from one person and one study to the next. This brings me to the next point….no “evidence” on pain relief can be taken at face value as pain is completely subjective and cannot be measured. I’ll play ball though, can you provide the references to you “evidence based” comments?

]]> Comment on How to Properly Select a Platform – Part II by Dr S Governs-Function http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2011/08/how-to-properly-select-a-platform-part-ii/#comment-4570 Dr S Governs-Function Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:41:41 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1059#comment-4570 It seems there never was a 'Part III - evidence' article in this series? Or if so, where do I find it? The rest is idle chit-chat until the evidence is presented!! It seems there never was a ‘Part III – evidence’ article in this series?
Or if so, where do I find it?
The rest is idle chit-chat until the evidence is presented!!

]]> Comment on Therapeutic Vibes: A Physio’s Experiences With Vibration Therapy by Dr S Governs-Function http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/03/theraputic-vibes-a-physios-experiences-with-vibration-therapy/#comment-4569 Dr S Governs-Function Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:37:47 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=310#comment-4569 You need to be careful about invoking neurophysiology in order to support TENS. There's increasing evidence that such 'passive-external' therapeutic approaches, where the patient gives herself into the hands of therapist/machine etc is a POOR substitute for her taking a neurally active-internal approach. In other words, don't just let the 'gate' flap passively in a breeze blown onto it by the electrical impulses of the TENS. Get her to recruit - actively, from the top down (involving her conscious will) her own pain-suppressing pathways. That patient-centred approach is best for her, but is often seen by practitioners as a practice-killer, as she (pt) will be encouraged to manage her own condition. Especially to understand it (cognitive top-down processing). By the way, what I've written IS evidence based, is NOT anecdotal and is NOT based on spurious advertising claims by any company seeking to increase its profits. I'd be interested to hear other practitioners' comments. You need to be careful about invoking neurophysiology in order to support TENS. There’s increasing evidence that such ‘passive-external’ therapeutic approaches, where the patient gives herself into the hands of therapist/machine etc is a POOR substitute for her taking a neurally active-internal approach. In other words, don’t just let the ‘gate’ flap passively in a breeze blown onto it by the electrical impulses of the TENS. Get her to recruit – actively, from the top down (involving her conscious will) her own pain-suppressing pathways.
That patient-centred approach is best for her, but is often seen by practitioners as a practice-killer, as she (pt) will be encouraged to manage her own condition. Especially to understand it (cognitive top-down processing).

By the way, what I’ve written IS evidence based, is NOT anecdotal and is NOT based on spurious advertising claims by any company seeking to increase its profits.

I’d be interested to hear other practitioners’ comments.

]]> Comment on Acceleration, Gravity and Vibration Training – Sorting It All Out by Joey http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2012/05/acceleration-gravity-and-vibration-training-%e2%80%93-sorting-it-all-out/#comment-4567 Joey Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:49:32 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1180#comment-4567 I feel this is one of the most vital information for me. And i'm happy reading your article. But should statement on few general things, The website style is great, the articles is in reality great : D. Excellent activity, cheers I feel this is one of the most vital information for me.
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]]> Comment on Acceleration, Gravity and Vibration Training – Sorting It All Out by Sam http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2012/05/acceleration-gravity-and-vibration-training-%e2%80%93-sorting-it-all-out/#comment-4566 Sam Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:03:10 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1180#comment-4566 Hey there! I've been reading your web site for a while now and finally got the courage to go ahead and give you a shout out from New Caney Texas! Just wanted to say keep up the excellent work! Hey there! I’ve been reading your web site for a while now and finally got the courage to go ahead and give you a shout out from New Caney Texas! Just wanted to say keep up the excellent work!

]]> Comment on Acceleration, Gravity and Vibration Training – Sorting It All Out by Curt http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2012/05/acceleration-gravity-and-vibration-training-%e2%80%93-sorting-it-all-out/#comment-4564 Curt Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:41:55 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1180#comment-4564 Nice post. I was checking constantly this blog and I'm impressed! Extremely helpful info specifically the last part :) I care for such info much. I was looking for this particular info for a long time. Thank you and best of luck. Nice post. I was checking constantly this blog and I’m impressed! Extremely helpful info specifically the last part :) I care for such info much. I was looking for this particular info for a long time. Thank you and best of luck.

]]> Comment on Acceleration, Gravity and Vibration Training – Sorting It All Out by Esther http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2012/05/acceleration-gravity-and-vibration-training-%e2%80%93-sorting-it-all-out/#comment-4562 Esther Sun, 27 Jan 2013 06:37:49 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1180#comment-4562 Good post. I learn something new and challenging on blogs I stumbleupon everyday. It's always interesting to read content from other writers and practice something from other websites. Good post. I learn something new and challenging on blogs I
stumbleupon everyday. It’s always interesting to read content from other writers and practice something from other websites.

]]> Comment on How to Properly Select a Platform – Part II by Peter Mueller http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2011/08/how-to-properly-select-a-platform-part-ii/#comment-4559 Peter Mueller Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:33:27 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1059#comment-4559 Hi again Alan, I also have the Wave Contour, mind you not the newer Plus. It's actually a pretty good little linear platform and the better option as far as low resistance linear goes, I prefer the feel over either Power Plates. All were tested in the Buyers Guide by independent engineer's seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_B9C_OUdxY Do the best you can to at least experience both pivotal & lineal platforms available to you, if not the brands of your present preference. Happy New Year! Hi again Alan,

I also have the Wave Contour, mind you not the newer Plus. It’s actually a pretty good little linear platform and the better option as far as low resistance linear goes, I prefer the feel over either Power Plates. All were tested in the Buyers Guide by independent engineer’s seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_B9C_OUdxY

Do the best you can to at least experience both pivotal & lineal platforms available to you, if not the brands of your present preference.

Happy New Year!

]]> Comment on How to Properly Select a Platform – Part II by Alan http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2011/08/how-to-properly-select-a-platform-part-ii/#comment-4558 Alan Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:18:00 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=1059#comment-4558 Thank you Gabriel and thank you Peter. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. After my initial research, I think my choice is between the Hypervibe and Wave ContourPlus. In your expert opinions, do you think I could go wrong with either of these models? Thank you Gabriel and thank you Peter. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.

After my initial research, I think my choice is between the Hypervibe and Wave ContourPlus. In your expert opinions, do you think I could go wrong with either of these models?

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