April 27, 2017

How to Properly Select a Platform – Part II

Basics of Vibration Training: Platform Types

We could categorize vibration training technology into two main categories:

• Pivotal

• Lineal

Some refer to a 3rd category, triplanar, however the majority of triplanar platform movement occurs via a uniform motion on the vertical axis and therefore falls under the category of Lineal. This lack of distinction is further supported by the fact that the majority of Lineal platforms, being incapable of delivering movement purely on the vertical axis, also have a 3D component. Lastly, worth consideration, is that some sources claim that 3D vibration is nothing more than a marketing term used to disguise a poorly manufactured platform that cannot control its vertical movement and thus moves excessively in the horizontal planes. With all this in mind, below you’ll find a diagram of the two primary platform types that we will discuss and the typical frequency and displacement ranges for each. Also take note of the other common terms often used to describe each method.

Pivotal: Triangular Oscillating, Oscillating, Side Alternating, Rotational, Tilting, Teeter-Totter.

Lineal: Vertical, Synchronous, Uniform, Piston, Flat, 3D, Elliptical, Triplanar

 

Pivotal

The first type, Pivotal, moves like a seesaw and exerts its influence on the body in a alternating right to left motion. If we envision our body moving instead of the platform, the legs and pelvis moves up and down alternatively.

Lineal

Lineal, moves up and down in one uniform motion. A Lineal platform exerts its influence on the body by moving both legs at the same time. Again, if we envision our body moving instead of the platform, the legs and pelvis move up and down uniformly.

 

Basics of Vibration – The History of the 2 Platform Types

The first commercially available platform was a German Pivotal platform called the Galileo, founded in 1996. Galileo laid claim to exclusivity of the Pivotal vibration method via an earlier patent. Years later, numerous other Pivotal machines emerged with the utilization of different type of technology than the Galileo utilized. These platforms also produced Pivotal vibration.

Having that been said, the Galileo patent was originally very strong so this gave rise to the next vibration method, Lineal vibration. Dr Carmelo Bosco, an Italian scientist who initially led the way in Whole Body Vibration research with the Galileo platform soon developed his own machine, a Lineal platform called NEMES. Most people believe that the existence of such a large number of Lineal platforms on the market is a reflection of its superiority, but this is false. It is simply a reflection of the lack of any existing patent and the ease at which this platform type can be reproduced.

Despite the emergence of different technologies, since the original Pivotal machine Galileo, and the original Lineal machine NEMES, there has not been any significant change to the way vibration is delivered to a user. The reason for such a large number of different terms used to describe platform types is mainly due to manufacturers hoping to convince the consumer their method of vibration is unique.

 

Basics of Vibration – Platform Construction and Engineering

Now that we’ve discussed the two primary types of vibration platforms and how they came to be, one other thing that needs to be discussed is the way in which these platforms are constructed and engineered and how this influences the quality and ultimately, the benefits provided by the platform. This topic is a subject for whole other article however, so this is just “skimming the surface”.

With both Lineal and Pivotal platforms, the most important variable is whether the platform can accelerate optimally WHILE loaded. A platform’s acceleration is typically measured in “G’s” where 1G represents the acceleration due to gravity.

As with any object that vibrates, we have two factors that determine the acceleration, frequency (how fast the object moves) and amplitude (how far the object travels). If we increase either of these, the acceleration will increase. Likewise, if we decrease either of these the acceleration will decrease.

Finally, a machine which operates at a low frequency and high amplitude could potentially operate at an equal acceleration to a machine which operates at a high frequency and low amplitude.

 

Pivotal

Compared to a Lineal machine, a typical Pivotal machine will have a lower frequency but higher amplitude. Independent testing reveals that most Pivotal machines often have difficulty producing frequency, and their real frequency is often significantly less than as advertised (most platforms indicate speed levels of 20 and above when in fact they are actually running below 15 hz). When you investigate the engineering principles behind Pivotal machines, it is easy to understand why.

The motor of a Pivotal machine drives the platform directly. Therefore, loading of the platform results in a load applied to the motor directly. There are as many as 10 points where force is transferred between the motor and the platform in the drive system. A robust drive system is a key component to a quality Pivotal machine. Machines with drive systems that cannot support high forces are limited to run at lower speeds (frequency) and therefore lower acceleration.

In order to produce higher speeds, some Pivotal machines operate only at low amplitude, a setting which is not typical of Pivotal machines. In other words amplitude is compromised in order to achieve a higher frequency. Whilst such a Pivotal machine is capable of producing higher frequency, due to the lower amplitude, the acceleration output is still low. If in doubt, the safest way to properly select a vibration platform is to review independent testing of machines specifications like those found on this site.

Listed below are the primary Pivotal systems that we support. These platforms have been selected because they meet a minimum performance criteria and have been validated through independent engineering analysis.

Galileo/Vibraflex (all models) – VERIFIED (high acceleration)

Hypervibe Performance – VERIFIED (high acceleration)

Maxuvibe MX7 – VERIFIED (high acceleration)

Globus Physiowave 500 – VERIFIED (high acceleration)

 

Lineal

Compared to a Pivotal machine, a typical Lineal machine will have a higher frequency but lower amplitude. Independent testing reveals that Lineal machines often have difficulty producing amplitude, and their actual amplitude is often significantly less than as advertised. When you study the engineering principles behind Lineal machines, it is easy to understand why.

The motors on a Lineal machine do not drive the platform directly. Therefore, loading of the platform does not result in a load applied to the motor directly. Instead, the motors drive a set of weights which throw the platform up and down via the inertia created by the weights. The inertia created by the weights have to overcome the resistance provided by the platform, isolators and a users weight, this means the amount of force produced by the motor/weight system is a key component to a quality Lineal machine. Machines with motor/weight systems that cannot produce forces to overcome the platform resistance are limited to run at lower amplitudes and therefore lower acceleration.

Generally speaking, a platform of greater mass which can generate higher forces will be less affected by the extra resistance added by a user on the platform. On the other hand, a platform with lesser mass will generally drop when loaded with the additional mass of the user. This is due to the fact that by adding a users body mass to the platform of lesser mass, means a greater percentage of mass added to the platform, than vs the platform of greater mass if adding the same user. For this reason, heavier steel platforms typically outperform the small plastic platforms. If in doubt, the safest way to properly select a vibration platform is to review independent testing of machines specifications like those found on this site.

Listed below are the primary Lineal systems that we support. These platforms have been selected because they meet a minimum performance criteria and have been validated through independent engineering analysis.

Vibrogym Professional – VERIFIED (high acceleration)

Vibrogym Evolution – VERIFIED (medium acceleration)

Globus Physioplate Gold – VERIFIED (high acceleration)

DKN XG10 – VERIFIED (medium acceleration)

Itonic Freemotion –VERIFIED (medium acceleration)

Powerplate Pro 5 –VERIFIED (medium acceleration)

The platforms listed above comprise the vast majority of the platforms supported on this forum. In the next part of this article where we discuss the research, there are several additional platforms mentioned that we support based on the fact that they have demonstrated through clinical research to be able to provide one or more benefit(s). They are few in number as you will see because, not surprisingly, most of the verified platforms are also behind the majority of the research.

In general, until a manufacturer has allowed their platform to be verified or is able to demonstrate through research that their platform provides benefit, we cannot support them and neither should you.

So…what does the research tell us? Stay tuned for part III to find out.

*This section along with section III was written with the assistance of Mr. Murray Seaton. I would also like to thank Murray and Sasha Marvin for taking the time to perform such precise engineering tests on the platforms listed above.


Comments

  1. How much acceleration = “high”, “medium”, etc, per your definitions?

  2. Murray Seaton says:

    Good question Mike,

    I asked myself the same question when I first read another version of created terms, medium energy, high energy etc. What are the operational definitions?

    It is important to provide publicly accessible definitions of the variables, terms, or objects of interest so that persons other than the definer can independently measure or test them.
    See how to identify pseudoscience:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience

    I believe Gabriel will reveal all in his next article, but my choice would probably be around 10+g’s (medium), 15+g’s (high).

  3. Ethel Leichti says:

    Gabriel –

    I have very recently begun PowerPlate treatment – combined with traditional adjustments and massage – at a chiropractic facility. The treatment is aimed at easing pain arising from and increasing mobility lost to osteoarthritis in one hip (including substantial cartilage loss) and the resultant (over the year and a half since the arthritis first began to bother me) tightness, inflamation, injury, etc. in the nearby groin and hip muscles, tendons and ligaments. Although I need no help in maintaining the 115 pound weight I have stayed within five pounds of for at least 35 years (I will shortly be 70), I would would not be averse to receiving from my treatment some of the other reputed benefits of vibration platform usage – especially with respect to osteoporosis (of which I have a mild case) and general strength.

    I have basically two questions upon which I would much appreciate having your obviously very educated input:

    First, is either mild osteoporosis and not horrible (no cane needed, no limp when walking and a number of yoga poses – though increasingly fewer – still comfortable) arthritis of a hip a strong contraindication to vibration plate usage? My well-regarded chiropractor obviously thinks not – as he is using it as part of my treatment (as he has for others in similar circumstances) – and so far I’ve noticed no ill effects.

    Second, since I wish to purchase a machine to use at home to supplement my weekly drives (30 to 40 minutes drive each way ) to the doctor’s facility, I wonder if in your opinion it would be OK – given both the two health problems I’ve mentioned and my weekly PowerPlate usage (I intend for at least the forseeable future to continue the chiropractic visits) – to consider both linear and pivotal machines. Or should I limit my consideration to one of those types? (I would want to avoid, for example, any risk of harm which might arise from using the PowerPlate type at the doctor’s while using the other type at home!). Given all your research – and my very hectic schedule as full-time “nanny” to two very young grandkids! – I think I will go with one of the ones you recommend. But am simply not sure which general TYPE would be better for me..

    I would appreciate your thoughts … .

    Ethel

    • Hi Ethel,

      Welcome to the forum. Thanks you for taking the time to post these questions. I will do my best to answer them.

      1) Neither osteoporosis (unless SEVERE) nor hip osteoarthritis are contraindications to Vibration Training. In fact, with a proper program and instruction, these two conditions can benefit greatly from Vibration Training. I have been using Vibration Training with patients and clients with these two conditions for years with no adverse effects. Your Chiro knows what he is doing although the platform he is using for these conditions would not be my first choice. This leads us to the second question….

      2) First off, there is nothing dangerous about using both pivotal and lineal for training. In fact, the two work quite nicely together as long as you have the right program (exercises, frequency, duration etc.). As far as your situation however, a pivotal platform is the better choice for both you and your chiro.

      The primary reason being that the way it moves (and why it was invented) allows for direct stimulation to both the hip and spine. This is done through positoning in standing with only a slight knee bend. On lineal, this position is intolerable and that is why the squat is always used (indirect hip and knee stimulation). This more upright positions is how both hip/spine and hip oa are treated with vibration therapy.

      A second reason that it is advantageous is that it moves in an alternating fashion thus reproducing the normal movements of walking therefore giving it more functional carryover into normal life.

      Lastly, with pivotal, a greater acceleration range is available (on PROPER pivotal vibration training platforms of course) therefore allowing you greater ability to progress your program for the training of these two areas as well as others.

      As far as a recommendation, you would want the Galileo (Vibraflex in the US) as your first choice. The second choice, if the Galileo is out of your price range, is the Hypervibe.We have two others recommended on our forum which you are also welcome to research, but I have no experience with either one.

      Hope that helps. If you need any further information, let me know

  4. Hi Gabriel.

    I have a customer that has asked about the use of WBV to treat Gout. Due to the type of inflammation it can cause my intitial response would be no as it falls into contra indicators for WBV. I wanted to double check as I dont have personal experience with this.

    Thanks Deb

    • Hey Deb,

      Are you talking about an during an active flare up of gout? If so, I would not recommend it. I do not believe it is an absolute contraindication however. Only thing you could do is try some very light vibration (just placing the foot on the platform) to see whether the sensation or circulatory effects help reduce the perception of pain in the area.

      On the other hand, if someone has recurrent flare-ups, but is not in a the middle of one, there should be no reason vibration cannot be explored as a preventive measure.

  5. Hi Gabriel,

    I have an adult daughter that has low muscle tone and mild CP. My doctor suggested we try a whole body vibration machine. He didn’t say which type. Is there any research that the Vertical or Pivotol works better to build muscle tone?

    Thanks,
    Deborah

  6. Hi Deborah,

    The majority of all research, including that done on the cerebral palsy population was done on the Galileo (Vibraflex in the US) platform. It is a pivotal platform. This is your best bet without question.

    As far as tone goes, most studies look at reducing it with regards to spasticity (in contrast to increasing it in those individuals with low tone). All other studies look at improving muscle strength and power. If there is anything that can influence the tone in your daughter however, it will be vibration therapy since it exerts its influence directly on the nervous system.

    Lastly, as a PT, when dealing with a rehabilitation scenario (an honestly with anyone) that involves increasing activity in the nervous system, we need specificity. The reciprocating nature of a pivotal platform, which simulates the human walking pattern, makes this your most specific and most appropriate choice.

    Please let me know if you need any additional information or would like references.

  7. Gabriel:

    For an individual that wishes to improve overall health including weight loss but has low back disk problems with radiculopathy is there a particular machine you would recommend? Or would vibration therapy be contraindicated? I fear that lineal vibration will create repeated jarring of the disks which might create further damage whereas pivotal vibration may do the same but to a lesser extent as it seems to create less of an impact or jarring of the spinal chord. Of course I am not sure if this is accurate and would like our input. Thank you very much.

  8. Hi Lewis,

    My first question is whether you have a history of low back radiculopathy (radiating nerve pain typically felt in the leg) or it is an acute issue? For the latter (acute scenario) , I would suggest waiting until the pain has centralized or disappeared altogether before beginning. If it is more of a recurrent issue than I think Vibration Training is something worth trying. The only thing that needs to be considered in either situation is that you do the correct exercises with proper form. If this is the case than Vibration Training is no more of a threat than any other form of exercise. It just offers more benefit in my opinion.

    As far as the concerns you have over lineal vibration “jarring the discs” or pivotal “doing the same, but creating less of an impact or jarring of the spinal cord”, these are not grounded in any research, personal experience with thousands of patients, or even anecdotal reports. The only reason anyone comes across anything related to these effects is when they find the term “whole body vibration” as it pertains to industrial vibration or occupational exposure (i.e. jackhamer operator, truck driver etc.). NOT Whole Body Vibration exercise.

    As far as pivotal vs lineal, the majority of research on low back pain involves a pivotal (Galileo/Vibraflex) platform. It is also, based upon the way it moves, the most effective at directly training, as well as releasing (with low fq), the low back and pelvis musculature. This is very important for someone with any low back issues.

    Hope that helps. Feel free to contact me or post any further questions.

  9. Margaret Dodd says:

    Hello..I recently tried out a machine (lineal slimvibes machine) and liked it. I have varicose veins and swollen feet and ankles and also mild osteoporosis. I also exercise little and have poor muscle tone and would LOVE to be more energised..but otherwise I’m in good health. Can you recommend which machines might be best for me..I am totally confused between the different effects of the 2 kinds THANKYOU!
    (I do do lots of yoga

  10. Hello Margaret,

    Thanks for your post. Yoga and Vibration Training work very well together! For the first issue you mentioned, swollen feet and ankles, although there is no real research looking at these efffects, you are safe going with either type of vibration platform (lineal or pivotal). Both will help assist the pumping mechanism. Pivotal however, in my opinion has a slight advantage because of its ability to go into the lower frequency range for lymphatic effects.

    For osteoporosis however, the majority of the research points towards pivotal. Once again, it also has the advantage of directly stimulating the hip, spine and pelvis (where most osteoporosis occurs).

    Overall, it seems pivotal is your best bet. The platforms that we recommend are listed in part II of the “selecting a platform” article. In both categories, a high or medium acceleration platform should be sufficient. Please note that we do not support the Slimvibes platform.

    Hope that helps.

    • Margaret Dodd says:

      could you please recommend which makes I should chose from (on a limited budget!) Thanks !!

      • Hi Margaret. We are happy to help. To best assist you however, we would need to know what your budget is, and more importanty, what your training goals are (weight loss, osteoporosis, pain relief etc.) . Also, where are you located?

  11. Bruce Hempel says:

    Another machine that seems to have decent specs is the KProline Bi-Power (http://www.kproline.com/bipower.html). This machine looks a lot like the HyperVibe Performance machine, but at a lower price. Can you comment on whether the KProline Bi-Power is a good machine? Does it live up to its specs?

  12. Hi Bruce,

    Honestly, I had not seen that particular model yet as they are not available in North America to my knowledge. With price keep in mind the Euro conversion and cost to ship both models could end up costing you more. One appears to be a base factory unit and the other is a dual mode machine. The stated specs are “not” validated. Something similar to the Health Station Platinum or the Infinity Pulse trainer from our report.

    Pls watch the videos completed in our studio.to see another machine like the Kproline called the VibraPro.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=269YUJuSlD44
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ1vj0tVGvA&feature=related
    All the machines tested in studio were low G machines and sold under various brand names.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfNH4q4ty78 has a comment from someone who had bought the KProline.

    Hope this helps,

    Dan

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  13. phys-ed grads says:

    Hi Gabriel, I’ve been reading everything in all of these articles for several hours now and I’m fascinated. thanks so much for being a beacon of knowledge, common sense and wisdom in this area of vibration training and therapy.
    Someone wanted to give us a month membership at T-Zone Vibration Studio but your findings indicate that the machines have limited efficacy for our needs which are to compliment a fitness program for 55 year olds in good shape with the usual aging joint complaints.
    In Ontario, in the Brampton to Toronto area, can you recommend places for us to go and try effective pivotal machines such as the Galileo or Hypervibe or any others you are aware of. Also, if we ere keen to purchase- where do we go to test them?

    Thanks so much,
    Phys-ed Grads

    • Hi Phys-ed Grads and thanks for joining in.

      Contact Peter our Ontario Rep thru http://www.hypervibe.ca and he can arrange for you to try both Hypervibe & Galileo plus a few other units. He’s working a show in Oakville this weekend.

      Let us know if I can be of any assistance.in your search.

      Deb

  14. Phys-Ed,

    Thank you for taking the time to read the article. I am glad that you were able to take the correct message(s) away from it. We do not support the T-Zone for anything other than massage and circulatory benefits.

    As far as locating a Galileo/Vibraflex in your area, please contact the people at Motion Health at http://www.motionhealth.com. Not sure exactly where they are, but they may be close. For the Hypervibe, visit http://www.Hypervibe.ca. I believe the Hypervibe people carry the T-Zone strictly for the purpose of comparison and should have several contacts for you so perhaps someone will be nearby.

    These are going to be the best option for the purposes you stated. Any other questions, feel free to post again.

    Let us know how everything goes.

  15. Phys-Ed

    See and experience HyperVibe this week-end at the Oakville Fall Home and Lifestyle Show
    http://www.jenkinsshow.com/oakville.htm

  16. Diann Witzell says:

    I’ve been reading your articles and responses to questions with interest and have a couple of questions of my own.

    1) Which kind of platform is best for weight loss and toning or are the two kinds equivalent for that purpose? My hope is that the pivotal will be either equal to or superior to the linear for weight loss (I have considerable weight to lose), as based on my reading of your other comments, I will need one for my mild osteopenia. I’m also budget-restricted, so was wondering what you think of the Dynafit and Farfalla brands (which I have not yet priced out but which were recommended by Peter aka Vibration Professor on his website. http://www.vibrationprofessor.com/compare-vibration-machines.html

    2) What is meant by dual mode? I had thought when I first began to read up on these machines that it represents a cross-over in function between the pivotal and lineal type of platform, but based on my reading of your explanation on how the units function, this does not seem possible, so does it refer to the number of motors?

    3) The Body Vibe website claims that a “Dr. De Orio discovered .. that using a 2 motor machine can actually cause poor effects on brain and body health if not used with caution under expert guidance.” The rationale they gave for this statement is that “two motors can never be properly synchronized between themselves, as a result, if you stand on a two motor system you and your brain will become desynchronized over time.” They go on to say that “A one motor system is always 100% synchronized with the plate, as long as it is not a weighted single motor, which is sometimes used to gain greater amplitude. Weighted single motors are not as difficult to supervise as a two or dual motors but they still can throw the body out of balance as can tilting vibration machines”, adding that ” A single motor device therefore will balance the body and brain, helping to put your body into a whole brain functioning state.”

    This all sounds like arrant nonesense to me, but would like your thoughts on it.

    I’m disappointed I’ve learned about this technology and found your site two weeks too late for the Oakville show.

    Thanks so much,

    Dianne

    • Hi Diann,

      Thank you for your post and for taking the time to think through these things so thoroughly. Now…for the answers:

      1) As far as weight loss goes, there are a limited number of research studies available to offer and obvious advantage of one platform type over another. The largest study (or perhaps the most widely known) however, was done on a commercial Powerplate model. This is lineal platform, but it retails around 8-12K therefore making it unavailable to most people. Their other models are not the same.

      Having that been said, when it comes to resistance strengthening exercises for the purposes of weight loss (like Vibration Training), the goal is to SAFELY place the greatest physical stress on the muscle. If you do this, you access muscle fibers that are associated with better fat burning capabilities. In the Vibration Training world, this occurs through platforms that reach higher acceleration levels (G-Force) and therefore place greater forces on the muscles. Toning of the body also occurs in response to increased usage of the muscles so it really doesn’t matter much to discuss this.

      As for bone density, the clear winner is pivotal.

      2) Not sure exactly what you mean by “dual mode”. My guess is that it reflects a machine that has a high and low setting which, if it is a proper machine, is a good feature. Some higher end machines do have two motors so perhaps this is what it is referring to. Still though, our recommendations for platforms are in the article so I wouldn’t get too hung up in this.

      There is no machine YET that can work as both pivotal and lineal although stay tuned because Hypervibe is very close.

      3) “Don’t believe the hype”. This is just more nonsense marketing BS. I will say that synchronizing two motors requires precision engineering (i.e. Vibrogym) so a low end platform attempting this feat will likely lead to more trouble with the machines function, more vibration inconsistencies etc. Don’t know Body Vibe, but from what you have posted and it’s look, I am confident it is another piece of junk. Anyone else know this platform?

      Having all this been said, Vibration Training on a proper platform is no joke and needs to be done properly in order to avoid harm to the user.

      Hope that helps.

  17. Hi Diann,

    I will leave your health & technical questions for the experts to reply.

    Did want to bring to your attention a couple of other points, for starts the Professor……. there is no such individual. Peter is fictitious, his image is merely clip art which can be seen elsewhere on the net. A clever attempt by another company to promote their products.

    I see you are in southern Ontario and had missed a recent show. If your intentions were to experience a HyperVibe please feel free to contact us via http://www.hypervibe.ca for alternative options.

  18. Dianne Witzell says:

    Gabriel and Peter.

    Thank you both very much for the feedback. Gabriel, I conclude from your comments that a pivotal unit will provide me everything I need from Vibration Training, to not only help improve my osteopenia and my osteoarthritis, which I forgot to mention, but to help my weight-loss goals, as well. But I’m curious, though — just how close is Hypervibe to creating a model that can work as both a pivotal and lineal model? Several months or a year or two?

    I had thought that the Body Vibe site’s comments were a marketing ploy. And also to provide an excuse for having only one model with two motors, which immediately made me suspicious regarding the quality of their products. I assume that they would really rather not invest the money needed to manufacture a more quality product.

    Regarding proper techniqe to avoid harm from use, are the product instructions provided with quality units sufficient to ensure proper use or would it be wise to get specific training somewhere prior to purchase?

    Peter, thanks for the heads-up regarding Peter aka Vibration Professor and for the follow-up contact for Hypervibe in southern Ontario. I will definitely follow it up.

    Dianne

    • Hi Dianne,

      Since posting my comment this morning, it has been brought to my attention that there are several low quality platforms out there that claim to have lineal and pivotal capabilities. None however, are supported on this forum and cannot therefore be recommended to you.

      You are correct in the belief that pivotal is best for osteoporosis and with a platform that delivers higher acceleration levels (along with a proper diet of course), the weight loss goals should be achievable on pivotal as well. The ones we support are listed above.

      Not sure about when the HV platform will be released. Perhaps someone can comment on that?

      As far as proper technique and the correct program, this should all be included in the exercise manual that accompanies the machine. Otherwise, check back here and we will help you out. If you have access to someone that knows about Vibration Training, having them create a program and reviewing it with you may be a good idea too.

      Good luck.

  19. I’ve tried to leave these questions on the contact page…but it is not working….and found I can put them here

    My questions are….. I have heard WBV is good for people with Parkinson’s…….My brother has Parkinson’s (his balance;/coordination is very bad)…so WBV would help….However…he has also had 2 mini strokes in the last year to 9 months or so ….the last being in end of this July….. having had 2 mini strokes…does that mean he could have more? or a larger one? so with all that in mind….can he still use WBV ….. will it help him….not to have strokes….or make him have more?….Positive vs…negative?

    Another question…I have a big belly/tummy and losing weight slowly….can I put my belly/tummy on the WBV machine….and will it help it go down in size/tone…..because my thinking is it will get rid of toxins and I’m sure their are a lot of toxins in there!

    Last question….my friend in Greece has Deep Veined Thrombosis…. is on a warfarin type drug… which thins the blood…..she does not have a blood clot now…..she wants badly to get a WBV Machine….. she has swelling in her legs….poor circulation…. can’t exercise….this could be a rehab tool for her….. Would the positives out weigh the DVT negatives….

    Thanks for your help in answering my question!

    Pamela

    • Hi Pamela,

      The research for WBV and Parkison’s is lacking at this point. Waiting for more studies to be done. There have been one or two positive studies and others where no treatment effect was found. Having said that, there were no adverse side effects as far as I know so I believe it should be explored. It makes sense that this should prove helpful, at least, for reducing the rate of progression of the disease and various components of walking. It is also quite easy to utilize with this population and may help with tremors if they exist.

      As far as your Dad goes, I would put him in a questionable category for vibration training because of the recent strokes and defer to his physician on this.

      We don’t recommend putting your tummy on the machine.

      Lastly, as far as your friend goes, she needs to speak with her MD about this. As long as she does not have clots, she is not contraindicated for vibration training. If he/she approves, this should be very beneficial for her.

  20. Have torn acl’s in both knees, can you advise me how to begin with my newly purchased hypervibe machine, examples of Hz and amplitude?

  21. need more info to answer this one

    1) how old are the tears?

    2) partial tears or full ruptures?

    3) are you having pain in the knees?

    4) any other medical issues?

    5) do you do any other forms of exercise presently?

    let’s start with that.

    • To answer Gabriel,

      Left knee ACL tear – complete tear, no meniscal tears, done August 2010, have no pain except when it slips out of place or after a long day of work.
      Right knee ACL tear ,torn 2005, repaired – 2006 with muscle graft, some small meniscal tears trimmed at the same time as repair, ACL graft retorn (complete) in October 2010. I think it happened because I was depending on the right so much after the left tear in August of the same year I have more pain in the right knee but nothing unbearable – I manage it.
      I walk carefully because with stepping or twisting wrong they will slip out of place and that is painful.
      I know how important it is to have the strong muscle support to the knees, which is why I purchased the Hypervibe machine. I have donjoy braces which I wear for my job (I am a dairy farmer and milk cows for a living) I don’t wear the braces out of the barn and am very careful about my steps and the ground I walk on.
      I was on a regular exercise routine daily with alot of leg strenthening until April of this year and a degenerative disc in my neck starting causing me alot of neck, shoulder and rotator cuff pain. I found my chores were all I could do and got out of my exercise routine. Since then I have gone downhill.
      Purchasing the vibration machine to kick me back into gear. I started the first couple days at 6 HZ and 2 position. I have upped it to 8 and have been feeling slight improvement in going up & down the stairs. I also am trying some of the upper body plank, modified pushup and triceps exercises on 8 to help my neck & shoulder problems. I have only had the machine 3 days but I would like to approach this in the proper manner and would appreciate all of the advice you could give me. I am 51 years old and my Ortho said he would not repair the knees again – he said he doesn’t do them over 50 years old. Appreciate any and all advice!

      • Thanks for the answers Donna. Sounds as if your knees have been through quite a bit, and based upon your profession, will be going through quite a bit more. The fundamental issue you are describing in the knees is one of instability (caused by inefficient ligaments) so the need to work at higher frequencies is important. Just realize that the higher fq is going to yield better strength benefits as it will improve the force generation in the muscles.

        The minimum frequency I recommend for strengthening and improving stability is 12 hz. Anything below that is better utilized for balance training and relaxation/recovery exercises. Once 12 is tolerated, move to 15hz and go up from there. The foot position #2 is a good place to train in the beginning too. If it is too challenging when you increase the frequency, move the feet inward towards #1. In my studio, we usually start clients at 2. Any risk as far as pain goes is more to do with form during the exercise than the training parameters so do not be fearful.

        Best exercises to start with are the squat, heel raise, single leg standing (marching in place slowly with FEET AT #1), and step up (if tolerated). Also, with a similar height step next to the HV, you can try two-legged bridging. Once you are doing this well, check back in and we’ll create some more advanced exercises. Start with 1-2 sets each.

        You can also start and begin with standing (slight knee bend) at 8-9 for warm-up and cool-down. Each for 1-2 minutes. Can be longer but increase slowly.

        As far as upper body, same rules apply. low fq is for relaxation and recovery, >12 hz is for muscle strengthening. So go with higher frequencies and adjust hand position til it is tolerable. The exercises you are choosing for your upper body are appropriate, but much more challenging and therefore with greater injury risk so go slowly and and focus on exercise form over any other variable.

        Hope that helps

  22. Hi Gabriel
    Thanks for the wealth of information on these machines. I was wondering if you knew anything about the Noblerex Platinum K-1 machine. The price is not that bad and it seems to be one of the better ones. My freind has the Vibraflex. It is amazing but really expensive. I can’t afford that.

    I was also wondering if the ones you listed above are in order from best choice to lesser.

    Linda

    • Hi Linda,

      Glad you enjoyed the article. We have discussed the Noblerex on this forum many times. It is not supported on this forum for anything other than balance training, massage, and circulation. The 4 pivotals that we support (which includes the Galileo/Vibraflex) for all benefits of Vibration Training are listed in the article. Of them, the most affordable is the Hypervibe (approx. $2600). It is only for personal use however. Hope that helps. Let us know if you have any further questions.

  23. My wife has a severe case of Lymphedema as a result of a Bi-Lateral Mastectomy about 12 years ago. She gets her lymph fluids moving with a small Trampoline, Elliptical Trainer and Massage. How would a vibration machine be for pumping the fluid and which platform would be the best. She wears full compression garments daily for 12 hours a day, should she use with or without the garments?
    Thanks for your advice!
    Don

  24. Hi Don,

    There is little clinical data available on using vibration technology for post-mastectomy lymphedema. Having that been said, I have heard from many practioners throughout Europe, the US and Australia, that they have had great success. All used low frequencies (6-12 hz) with the exception of one person, who used 16 hz.. For the most part, they were pivotal platforms (Galileo) except one individual, who used a Turbosonic (lineal).

    Since low frequencies may be all that are required, any platform that can go to these ranges should be suitable. The question is..what else do you want out of the platform? The answer may push you into higher quality platforms like those recommended on this forum.

    Would probably recommend first to use the platform without compression stockings.

    Hope this helps.

  25. Given the research by C. Rubin and osteoporosis, can a cheap low amplitude, low frequency device (such as the soloflex) be as effective at addressing osteoporosis as some of the studies done on the Galileo have demonstrated?

    Im not a big fan of how C. Rubin characterizes all other platforms but his own, but I do wonder if his studies are the frequency and amplitude guidelines for benefits specific to bone…any thoughts?

    Thanks!

  26. Hi Will,

    As far as bone density goes, there does indeed appear to be a positive impact with “low intensity” lineal vibration training (approx. 0.4 G’s I believe). However, the only studies I know of were completed on the Juvent. Therefore, it is not correct to assume that the Soloflex can be useful for this purpose.

    Additionally, the Juvent has not been shown to improve muscle strength, improve balance or reduce the risk of falling. Therefore, it should only be chosen by individuals who, for whatever reason, cannot tolerate “high intensity” training. This would be extremely frail or ill individuals.

  27. Thank you for your quick reply! Another question: A contraindication that most platforms have is for those that have pacemakers. Is this still a contraindication, especially with pivotals? I cant quite see why a device without moving parts would be included, or perhaps was so because there was no data that suggested otherwise? Logic would have it then that those with pacemakers could not jog or use heavy equipment either. Any research on this? Similarly with joint implants, I have one study that demonstrates 1 year after a hip implant those using WBV faired better than those who didnt. Am not aware of any other studies of other joints other than a rat study demonstrating enhanced osseointegration.

    • Hi Will,

      Yes…pacemakers are still considered a contraindication in the US (I am sure in other countries as well). There is no research on this. As far as joint replacements, we use a 1 year rule. Having that been said, with time, I believe it will be eliminated as a contraindication and likely used to accelerate rehabilitation. The problem is there are too many other potential sources of surgical failure in that first year. More studies required, but several are underway from what I understand.

  28. Gabriel:

    I am a very healthy 41y/o male looking to use vibrational training to raise my workouts to a higher level for athletic purposes. It seems to me after reading through all this information that a triplanar or a lineal device would be more appropriate than pivital. Is this a fair assumption?

  29. Hey Scott,

    When it comes to sports specific training, in order to maximize the level at which you enhance your workouts, only one thing truly matters; that you are using a medium to high acceleration platform. The higher the acceleration, the better. This can be lineal or pivotal. Both are supported in research and both are being used by professional athletic teams worldwide. The best choices would be the Vibrogym, Galileo (Vibraflex), Hypervibe, Maxuvibe, and the Globus (physioplate gold). There are some others out there, but they have not yet been verfied and we don’t support them. Powerplate, the most readily available would be a last resort.

    Having that been said, what is also important to consider is what sport you are training for. If it is a running sport or another sport that requires a reciprocating movement (pushing through one leg at a time….i.e. skiing , skating), pivotal will be the best choice. If it is a sport that requires generating force through both legs at the same time, a lineal makes more sense. What sport do you play?

    Both can be used quite effectively for recovery (stretching, massage, circulation etc.) from training. This is something that most people overlook and, in my opinion, the most unique feature that vibration has to offer athletes.

    Let me know if you have any other questions. Hope that helps.

  30. Thank-you for a very informative website. I am a 55 year-old with osteoarthritis and fibromalgia, and from what I’ve read, I am interested in the Hypervibe Performance. I live in Calgary, Alberta, and I would welcome the opportunity to try it out before committing to a purchase. Do you know of a local fitness centre which has this equipment or of a local supplier?
    Thanks,
    Lucie

  31. Hi Lucie,

    Glad you like the site. I will let Dan and Deb field your question. They are the Canadian distributors.

  32. Deb Pelletier says:

    Hi again Lucie. It’s the same Debby from your email on the weekend.

    We have several locations in the Calgary area where you can try the machine please see
    http://www.hypervibe.ca/stockists.php.

    If you would rather I can also arange to meet with at one of these locatiions for a demo.

    You can reach me via email or toll free at 877-425-3481

    Debby

  33. Good day – we are looking for advice about what type of WBV machine to purchase:

    My husband and I are 49. We are looking for weight loss of about 50 lbs. each/maintenance; hubby has had severe debilitating Fibromyalgia since age 36 – to the point walking for exercise is often out of the question.

    We have purchased a sauna for the heat therapy benefits and are looking at WBV as well.

    Thank you for any suggestions you might have.

  34. Hello Lisa,

    Let’s start by dealing with your goals of “weight loss”. This term needs to be modified to say that you are interested in improving your body composition. In other words, you want less fat and more lean muscle. For this you need a platform that can SAFELY deliver an intense workout. For this reason, you need a medium to high acceleration platform.

    This can be pivotal or lineal and the platforms we recommend are listed in the article above. Please disregard the DKN XG10 as it non longer qualifies as medium or high.

    Now….on to the issue of Fibromyalgia. The research supports pivotal for this so you can now narrow it down to the high acceleration pivotal platforms listed above:

    Vibraflex (all models)
    Hypervibe Performance
    Globus physiowave
    Maxuvibe mx7

    These 4 are the current best choices for you with the Hypervibe being the lowest in price.

    Hope that helps. Please let us know if you have any questions.

  35. By the way, the infrared sauna is a great idea and will work well with vibration. Also, do not forget that a proper diet is an absolute must to support the body composition changes. Without it, your goals will be quite difficult to achieve.

  36. Thank you so very much. I really appreciate your suggestions. If this gives my husband some of his life back it will be worth it.

    I’ve looked at the 4 models suggested and I think it will have to be the Hypervibe due to cost and the fact we just bought the far-infrared sauna as well – it’s not even been delivered yet. I actually discovered WBV while doing research for the sauna.

    We eat fairly healthy – all fresh veggies and fruits, stevia for sweetener, very little wheat – I use ground almonds for “flour”, Grass fed meats, etc.

  37. You are very welcome Lisa. Sounds like you are doing well with the nutrition side of things. Keep us posted on your husbands progress and don’t hesitate to post if you need any guidance.

    • Should we do WBV and then the sauna in the same day – in sequence ? and then skip a day – giving the body a day of rest between?

      or WBV one day and sauna the next day – alternating days? If we did 3 days of sauna and 3 days of WBV we’d have one day of rest per week.

      With the sauna it is suggested we slowly work up to 30 minutes 3 times a week.

      Oh and another: Last night I found a blog where a lady talks about restless leg syndrome and her successful use of the Hypervibe – do you know of any research out there (beside anecdotal testimonies) for WBV and RLS ? I have not come across any on my own.

      Hubby has restless leg syndrom, Fibromyalgia, familial tremors, low immune system, chronic fatigue syndrom.
      how best to start WBV?

      Me – I want to tone and firm and gain more strength and energy.

  38. I will defer to Dan and Deb of Hypervibe Canada for the sauna/wbv question. They use both in their studio and may have more experience with desirable timing. I would suggest doing them alternatively as they both have a detox effect. The one day off is also a good idea.

    As far as RLS goes, there are no studies out there on this subject. I have had 1 or 2 people report improvements in my studio though so I am a believer. There are a lot of “issues” that people report improvements with after consistent training. None are them are subjects of research YET though.

    Both of you will start slow (especially hubby) with 5-10 minutes of exercise (including rest periods). I recommend standing and squatting positions first at variable frequencies with conservative foot placement. I am happy to help you out once you get the machine and are all set up.

    • Hello Lisa/Gabe.

      Just saw this post my apologies for not responding earlier.

      I agree with Gabriel that initally you should alternate days between the Sauna & WBV. Especially since you are not conditioned to either. You need to ensure that you are not doing too much to start and see how your body adapts to each.

      With Fibromyalgia & Chronic Fatigue, users often experience an energy boost and take on more that they are ready for just because they are feeling more energized after a session.

      Over time some of our users have found that combining the two can be effective. I typically suggest Sauna use after the WBV session.

      For Restless Leg Syndrome I too can only speak from experience and have a couple of clients that have found almost immediate relief. Depending on mobility I would add massage to the quads/hams and calves after your session.

      The massage could be done daily specifically to address this.

      Deb

      • Lisa the Sauna we use is a Carbon Fiber vs Ceramic style heater. For more specific information about Saunas or any supporting research I suggest contacting Jason Quiriing thru http://www.bodo.ca. He has a wealth of knowledge and has been a resourse for many of our Sauna users.

        Deb

  39. I’m new to the WBV concept. I’ve been doing research on brands and working to understand the technology. I’ve seen one on livingdeal called DZT v7000. I can’t find any information on line except the company website (www.dztfitness.com). It has me a little concerned that it’s not showing up in any reviews. I’m interested in your opinion. The machine would be for home use, for people weighing 80 – 200 lbs, ages 13 – 57, all are active/recreational athletic with no limiting health factors.
    Are there some machines that you would specifically recommend for a family with these deomgraphics?
    Thanks for your time.

    • Hi Judith,

      Welcome to the forum and thanks for the question. The DZT is yet another underperforming vibration platform. I believe it was tested here – http://us.hypervibe.com/report.php. Also called the oto-flabelos. It can be used for massage and balance training. Otherwise, for the more substantial benefits of whole body vibration, it is not supported on this form.

      For a family with the demos you mentioned, assuming you are interested in muscle, body comp. benefits, you require a platform that we support. They are listed in this article. Let us know if you need any further assistance.

    • Judith,

      Stay away from any machines offered on ‘panic buy’ sites, especially DZT….. as Gabriel has mentioned, this label like so many others have some massaging benefits, but DZT has moved to the top of the list for blatantly lying about their overly exaggerated performance capabilities and specifications when questioned on theses sites. All for the name of another $ale……. several efforts to challenge and to offer the following link to the unexpected consumer were deleted by the ‘panic buy’ site monitors, making them equally as irresponsible.

      Here’s an example of a very inexpensive test that anyone can do, surprisingly very accurate when compared against independent engineers sophisticated test results….. soon to be made available.

  40. Dan Pelletier says:

    Hi Judith,

    The DZT v7000 machine although to be released in an upcoming report is not included in the current version. This platform is one that I personally own and it has been tested. The company simply lies about the machines frequency capabilities and does so knowingly.

    DZT is in top spot when it comes to deception. DZT claims the machine operates from 0-30hz. In reality and based on an independent engineers test the machine was identified to operate from 4.37hz to a maximum of 17.5hz. This was based on an unloaded (no mass on machine). Add a typical user 100+lbs and there is a good chance the machines speeds will be reduced.

    Hope this helps

    Dan

  41. Hi,

    I would like to know why the DKN XG10 plate no longer qualifies for medium-high machine? According to tests on one italian web page it suppose to be reaching 12g and it costs around 2500 EUR, what should be a good price /performance ratio. I was going to buy that machine, now I’m confused. Thank you for your explanation.

  42. Hi David,

    Sorry for the confusion. Based on a review of the research, the optimal frequency range for vibration training appears to be between 20-45 hz. The DKN, based on our engineering tests, reached a peak acceleration output of just under 8 G’s at 45 hz. At 40 hz, it was under 5G’s. Therefore, because it jumped at 45 hz, it still does qualify as a medium acceleration platform.

    I have owned 2 DKN’s for 3+ years. It is a serviceable platform for light training and stretching.

  43. Would anyone know of a club in on near Toronto Canada that has good equipment and experienced trainers?

    • John,

      Of the listed platforms supported here on VT.net, I’m only aware of the two following fitness studios using WBV machines outside of the city limits.

      In Barrie, Results Body Studio has been using HyperVibes for around a year. Rita is a certified personal trainer there and very passionate about WBV.

      There is a new club just opening in Brampton, JA Fitness & Wellness. Duro is an accredited fitness trainer starting to learn about WBV. He too will have HyperVibes. There might be another soon in Scarborough, an established fitness trainer with intentions of adding HyperVibe WBV machines.

  44. fred chillington says:

    Thanks for your great web-site. Do you know where I can try a Hypervide WBV in Florida near 34287. cheers, Fred

    • Hi Fred,

      Thanks for the compliment and for your question. I believe the only location in Florida where the Hypervibe can be demo’d is in Largo, Fl. Not sure how far that is from you.

  45. Todd Richards says:

    Lots of good information here at the website, but I have some very basic questions that I feel might be useful to include in “Selecting the right platform” discussion:

    What levels of G force is necessary to achieve various goals? There is much discussion about how many of the WBV machines on the market are basically “massagers”, and the independent testing is certainly helpful, but what level of machine does one need to obtain various benefits? In part one of this discussion, you talked about some scenarios that you commonly see as people’s goals, but I’ve added some here:

    1. Improving Balance

    2. Improving Lymph Node Production

    3. Improving Cardiovascular Function

    4. Improving Bone Density

    5. Weight Loss

    6. Muscle Growth or “Toning” Muscle

    7. Stimulating Endorphin Production

    Basically, what I understand from what I’ve read here is that any WBV machine will accomplish numbers 1-3 and you need a higher quality machine like those on your “verified” list to accomplish numbers 5 and 6. I would like clarification on what it takes to improve bone density and endorphin release as well as any research that indicates what G force is necessary to stimulate muscle growth. Thanks…

    • Todd Richards says:

      Oh, add one more benefit:

      8. Back pain relief

      • Hi Todd,

        Your question is a complex one to answer given the great diversity of research that is out there. I think however, you will find the closest thing to an answer in part III of the “How to Purchase” article, which is near done and is being done in an effort to streamline things a bit.

        There are about 400 studies being analyzed for it so it has been proven to be quite a project (god bless Murray Seaton for his effort). In the meantime, I will try to put together as helpful an answer for you based on what we have so far.

        Give me a day or two and check back.

        • Todd Richards says:

          Thank you Gabriel. I am very interested in this technology and just trying to overcome my ignorance about it. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

  46. do you have any info on Health Mark VF80002 Port-A-Vibe a lightweight portable unit Amazon sells for $225.70 Eligible for free shipping with Amazon Prime.

    • Hi vze,

      This platform can be used for massage, circulation, and balance. Nothing beyond that. Of course, this is assuming it doesn’t break after a week. We do not support this platform on this forum.

  47. where I can try/buy a Hypervide WBV in New Jersey?
    what is a fair price

  48. Hi vze,

    Aside from working with Vibration Therapy in my PT practice and also owning a Vibration studio, I have also recently become involved with educational development and US distribution for Hypervibe. If you’d like to try the Hypervibe, feel free to come by my studio on east 78th st in Manhattan. I also train people using the Galileo, Powerplate, Hypergravity, and DKN, so you can compare the HV to the “rest of the best”

    If you just want to buy the Hypervibe, please contact: http://www.hypervibe.us.

  49. Hi Todd,

    So let’s start by looking at the benefits you have listed. Several are benefits that are purely anecdotal and cannot be supported by research. It is not to say that, in theory, these are not benefits of vibration training, but we are trying to stay evidence based on this site in an effort to move the industry towards a higher level of legitimacy.

    Benefits not supported by research:

    1) Improved Lymph Node Production – There is quite a bit of anecdotal information suggesting that WBV improves the movement of lymphatic fluid (as opposed to producing lymph nodes), but there has been no studies to date to support it. Again, in theory, this is a no-brainer, but nonetheless, without research I cannot give you the information you are looking for.

    If you want a better explanation of how it theoretically can accomplish this, take a look at this article:

    http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2012/03/scare-tactics-preying-on-the-inexperienced-consumer/

    2) Stimulating endorphin production – Again, this is purely a anecdotal/theoretical benefit and no data exists to date that supports it as a “proven” benefit of Vibration Training

    Now the rest…..

    1) Improving balance – A wide range of frequency/amplitude/g force settings have shown improved balance, down as little as less than 1G. One note here, as explained in my article, is that while balance measures have been show to improve with low levels of acceleration output, it is important to consider the increased role of improving muscle power in the way one reacts to a fall.

    For this reason, unless it was purely a financial issue, it makes no sense to buy a platform for balance, but not for muscle power improvements. Muscle power is discussed below.

    2) Improving Cardiovascular Function – To date, research has shown two major benefits linked to vibration training. They are:

    a) Improved Blood Flow – This has been shown to occur at minimal levels of acceleration. Similar to balance.

    b) Reduced arterial stiffness – This benefit was stated to be achieved at a little over 4.1 G’s. The issue with this, and most studies, is that the machine was not verified. It was also a powerplate which is notorious for failing to perform to spec. Perhaps it was a little less or even a little more. We cannot be sure.

    3) Improving bone density – This is another tricky one. The reality is that bone density improvements have been shown to occur in platforms operating at both low (less than 1G) and high acceleration levels (10G+). The major issue is that the same platform settings have also been shown to have no effect on bone in other studies. This is one of the major issues with this benefit and likely reflects the tremendous variety in research design as well as the patient populations used.

    At the end of the day, the predominant theory on WBV and bone is the mechanostat theory and this suggest that muscle force and power governs bone density. In theory, this is why low gravity environments effect bone negatively while returning to earth’s gravity restores it (in astronauts).

    The bottom line is this, if you are only concerned with increasing bone density, you MAY have success with a low G platform, even the juvent which is <1G. If however, you want muscle improvements along with the bone density effects, you go with a high G platform (10G+). It is likely that this will also yield better improvements in bone density as well (theoretically).

    4) Weight loss /Body composition – To the best of my knowledge, no (verified) machine with g force capabilities less than 10G has demonstrated any benefit in this area.

    5) Muscle strengthening (mass, force and power) – The majority of the research suggests this benefit is accomplished by machines that can accomplish 10G+.

    6) Back pain – Has only been demonstrated on the Galileo, a 15+g platform

    Hope that helps answer your question. Part 3 will make things much clearer.

    • Todd Richards says:

      Thank you Gabriel… I am greatly looking forward to Part 3 and to reading some of the actual test results (if they are understandable to a layman).

  50. Noblerexk1 info Opinion Price?
    is a demo available

  51. Noblerex is not supported on this forum. It is yet another platform that does not perform as specified. Beneficial for balance, massage, and circulation perhaps. Outside of that, buyer beware.

    • Hi,

      does anyone have any experience with german machine vibratrimmer (sport model, I think). It weights 100 kg, has 2 motors( 250 watts) , and supposed to have both lineal and pivotal function and both low and high amplitude in lineal function (2mm and 4mm acording to the sellers site). Anyway I am asking because someone is selling it for half the price (arond 3000 EUR), I think he’s closing its studio. What would be your opinion? Could that be a quality macine? Thank you for your answer.

  52. any info on Vibacore 1000

  53. Jeffrey says:

    Awesome article, better yet is the comments. I am learning a ton. My question is this, what should I buy? 🙂

    Here are my issues:
    1. Bulged disk lower back (caused drop foot about 4 years ago. Treated it with cortisone shots in the spine. Still painful but manageable. i.e. sometimes take aleve or ibuprofen.
    2. Degenerative disc disease. Again, sometimes painful but manageable.
    3. Medial meniscus repairs on both knees about 15-20 years ago. Still painful, crunchy. Flair up with certain movements. I treat with ice or if it is really bothersome, some sort of anti-inflammatory.
    4. I’m 41, yes that’s an issue! 🙂

    I work out daily, low impact cardio 30-45mins. (bike/elliptical) Lifting for 20-45mins., although not much lately because I have been having back issues so I am giving it a break. Myofacial release after almost every workout. Pilates at least twice a week. (just started that, I thought it might be good for my back and strengthen my core.)

    What do I want to get out of a vibration machine? My joints can’t take the heavy weights. I don’t want to replace workouts with this kind of training, but what I do want to do is build strength through the machine and lift less. I love lifting, but I’m thinking some of my back issues may be related to it.

    So my dilema is this, I have tried a Powerplate 5pro, nice machine. Tri-planar plate. I have not tried a certified pivotal machine, just one in the store that they had for comparison. (more than likely a cheap version) I found a Powerplate 5 pro for an unheard price of $3,000 for new. But I think I would benefit better from a pivotal platform more. (from what I have learned so far … or you may even say that vibration machines is a bad idea, which I am fine with as well) I found that I can get a Hypervibe for around $2,600. I also found a Powerplate My5 for $2,500.

    What products would you recommend for my scenario? If you were in my shoes, what would you do? These are not cheap expenditures so I am not taking them lightly. Hence all my research.

    Looking forward to what you have to say, or anyone for that matter.
    Jeffrey

    • Hi Jeffrey,

      Thank you for your posts. Glad you enjoyed the article. Based upon your post, the benefits of vibration training for you wouid be to both support and enhance your current exercise regimen (pilates, cardio, myofascial release), and also offer you a more efficient and safer resistance training alternative (using the acceleration principle instead of mass to improve strength). Additionally, there is research to support the benefits of vibration training on knee joint inflammation and low back pain/strength so these would be additional purposes for you to pursue this type of training.

      As far as platform choice, strength gains can be achieved on both lineal and pivotal, but the research favors pivotal because of the back and knee issues (the ones we support are listed in the article). The ones we support are on the site as they have been verified. The Hypervibe is supported. The MY5 is not! The powerplate pro5 isn’t horrible, but I wouldnt touch it without a warranty and also feel the pivotal is a better choice because of the back.

      Hope that helps.

  54. Jeffrey says:

    Minor correction, I just found out the Power Plate Pro5 is and AIRdaptive unit but it is not new, it is 4 years old in fine condition. Want to give you all the best accurate information for a proper answer.

    Thanks

  55. Linda K says:

    I have been researching WBV machines & reading various sites about the benefits of vibrational therapy. What are your thoughts about VibraTrim VT 400? It states that it is a pivotal type, but also spirals right when using lower speed motor which assists w/ lymphatic drainage. Seems like it would be an all-round good machine for toning & weight loss. I’m in my mid-fifties & have some knee & back weaknesses. Any other info you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

  56. Hi Linda,

    The Vibratrim VT 400, which has ben discussed on this site many times before, is NOT supported on our site. Although they are quite good at marketing and creating nonsensical concepts like “spiral” motors, they are just another machine that fails to perform as specified and can likely only provide benefits for circulation and balance.

    The low acceleration output that this platform reaches is unlikely to provide any benefits on the muscular level (tone, strength etc) and is unlikely to be any more effective for weight loss than performing exercises without a machine.

    We will be addressing this spiral motor concept in a future article so stay tuned.

  57. Marty Bonneson says:

    Thanks for your article and all the responses to the posts. They are very informative for someone new to the technology. I am looking for a vibration machine for training in my home. I have looked at a PowerPlate my7 at a local fitness store (Wisconsin) as they seem to be the most available in my area. I especially like the feature on the my7 where a screen takes you through the workout. However, reviews on Power Plate have gone both ways and it is somewhat expensive. Have you seen any other models that have this feature?

    In addition to training, i would like a machine that would benefit a minor patella tendon issue that I have. Does the pivotal machine benefit joint issues as well as a linear machine? In general for training, is one type of machine better than the other?

    • Hi Marty,

      The My7 offers a great user interface, but that is where its offerings stop. The only Powerplate platforms we support on this forum are the professional (pro5/Pro5 air adaptive) models which qualify as medium acceleration at best. Additionally, given the growing number of studies that show the Powerplate fails to perform as specified when tested, we cannot even guarantee that. The MY7 is a significantly lower cost and although it hasn’t been tested, you can be guaranteed it will produce a low acceleration.
      This means that the additional benefits outside of circulation, massage, and balance training are unlikely to occur any more than performing the same exercises on the floor.

      As far as your patellar tendon issue, this can be “treated” with both lineal and pivotal, although as a physical therapist, my preference is pivotal. The low frequency range and ability to work in more upright positions is an advantage. There have not been any studies done to date on this so I cannot offer any evidence to say pivotal is better. As far as training goes, you need a medium to high acceleration platform (high being better), either lineal or pivotal. The platforms that we recommended in this article.

      Hope that helps. Please let us know if you have any questions.

  58. Marty Bonneson says:

    Thanks Gabriel, you are very helpful.

    I value the opinions of this forum. That being said, where do I find outlets of purchase for the various platforms that have been tested and approved. They seem to be much harder to find than some of the units that cannot pass the testing criteria. I reside in Northeast Wisconsin. I would mainly be interested in the Hypervibe and the Maxuvibe.

    Thanks Again

  59. Hi Marty,

    In the US, the most readily accessible platforms are the Powerplate, Vibraflex (Galileo), Globus, DKN, Vibrogym, and the Hypervibe. I think the itonic can be found as well.

    I have disclosed in prior conversations that I am involved with distribution of the Hypervibe so I can help you out with this platform.

    The maxuvibe company should be contacted directly through their site.

    http://www.maxuvibe.com/index1.html.

    Hope that helps.

  60. Todd Richards says:

    Is anyone familiar with a product called “The Live Vibe”?

  61. Don’t know much about this platform. Not verified or supported on this forum. Maybe someone else will have some input.

    The description of the product is concerning as they are making claims about the immune system, healing rates, enhancing the brain etc. All these claims are not supported by research. This usually points to the integrity of the company selling the product.

  62. Hey there. Haven t heard of this but looks similar to the G Power. .9 G max

    Doesn’t really show any specs. With it’s weight at 66kg and looking at the small feet, I can’t see it producing significant Gs. They are based out if Texas. I would ask for verification on their operating specs. Why wouldn’t they be in their Product brochure if they were something signifigant?

    Deb

  63. Todd Richards says:

    Any update as to when we might see Part III? I know a lot of work goes into it, just asking…

  64. Hi Todd,

    It has proven to be a massive project and although we are getting there, to make is comprehensible by the general public, will require some more work. If you have any particular questions, we can certainly provide a thorough answer. Between the various protocols, lack of verification of the platforms, the various platforms themselves, and the different parameters being measured, it is a task to organize it.

  65. Murray Seaton says:

    Hi Todd,

    The delays in part 3 are mainly due to my part in it.

    It is a mammoth task for reasons of the sheer volume of research out there, and also as Gabriel mentioned, the comparing of apples to oranges, reporting variations etc..

    Here is something I can tell you though. Based on engineering test results we have obtained over the past few years, and also results obtained by researchers, enthusiasts, and other WBV companies, we’ve managed to screw down a fairly tight set of operating benchmarks which I believe give a very good indication as to whether a machine is decent for training or not.

    Get the (real) answers to these questions on any machine….
    Can it produce a frequency of anywhere between 20-45Hz?
    Can it produce more than 10g?

    If you can answer yes to those 2 questions for any particular machine, the chances of you choosing a decent training unit are very high in my opinion. If you cannot and yes to either of those questions, the chances of it being a decent training unit are very slim in my opinion.

    The above is a very good indicator, however, here is the more complex answer…..

    I intend to tighten that criteria up even further with more detailed analysis on available platforms. For example, the above criteria doesn’t account for a machine which can produce more than 10g at 50Hz, but less than 10g at 45Hz. Therefore a better question might be, can it produce more than Xg’s within a frequency range of 20-45Hz?

    My criteria is also based on unloaded specs, because we don’t have all of the loaded data in our reports just yet. I expect that the 10g benchmark will be reduced once loading comes into it, and once we factor in max g’s within 20-45Hz.

    Finally, it should also be noted that pivotal units give inflated g values VS lineal units since the maximum g force reading on a pivotal is taken from the far edge of the platform, where in reality this position is not practical to use.

    I’m not a big fan of self promotion, and I expect we’ll release a non-biased version of this presentation soon, but here is a preview of the test results we’ve gathered to date, explaining the above.

  66. I apologize – I am still not understanding one key part of this article.

    I am looking for a WBV machine for my home. I don’t want to break the bank, which I think makes Hypervibe the only machine that you recommend which doesn’t have a huge pricetag. But I live in the US, where Power Plate is clearly the dominant and most trusted brand.

    My question is the Hypervibe machine you recommend uses Pivotal and Power Plate uses Lineal. What would make a consumer want to use one form of vibration vs the other. In other words, what are the practical end result differences between Pivotal and Lineal vibration?

    • Hi Alan,

      PowerPlate is certainly popular here based upon their presence in gyms (where they honestly don’t belong), but “dominant” and “trusted” is hardly the case. They have spent a lot of money hiring celebrities and doing whatever they can to capitalize on the slow learning curve on WBV here in the US. It has not worked to say the least as their machines are way, way overpriced. I would actually use “underperforming” and “untrustworthy” to describe them. I don’t imagine we will see them much longer to be honest.

      Moving on however, to answer your question regarding pivotal and lineal….overall, for the purpose of strength training, bone building, body composition goals, and flexibility, either platform is an option. Pivotal however, can go to lower frequencies and therefore has additional “wellness” advantages (i.e. massage, circulation, balance, lymphatic). Additionally, with quality pivotal, you can achieve higher acceleration levels and therefore potentially push the muscles harder.

      One other personal benefit I feel pivotal offers is that it trains the body in a more functional movement pattern (reciprocating…right then left, left then right). For general function in life, this is important so why not train in this fashion.

      Hope this helps.

    • Peter Mueller says:

      Alan,

      Are you able to go try several platform types where you life?

      Here in southern Ontario Canada, I have a large selection of platforms for just that purpose. High resistance VibraFlex, HyperVibe , Low resistance, T-Zone, Nitrofit in pivotal. VibroGym, high lineal and several low like Power Plate My5 & My3. Along with others offering mixed vibration patterns.

      To date, most that have taken advantage of this opportunity to experience the difference have chosen pivotal motion over lineal, and high resistance over low in performance. There is value in both motions and performance levels, the decision is that of the prospective user and their expectations to outcomes. So when possible, try before you buy.

      • Thank you Gabriel and thank you Peter. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.

        After my initial research, I think my choice is between the Hypervibe and Wave ContourPlus. In your expert opinions, do you think I could go wrong with either of these models?

  67. Peter Mueller says:

    Hi again Alan,

    I also have the Wave Contour, mind you not the newer Plus. It’s actually a pretty good little linear platform and the better option as far as low resistance linear goes, I prefer the feel over either Power Plates. All were tested in the Buyers Guide by independent engineer’s seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_B9C_OUdxY

    Do the best you can to at least experience both pivotal & lineal platforms available to you, if not the brands of your present preference.

    Happy New Year!

  68. Dr S Governs-Function says:

    It seems there never was a ‘Part III – evidence’ article in this series?
    Or if so, where do I find it?
    The rest is idle chit-chat until the evidence is presented!!

    • To summarize and present the research surrounding WBV clearly is a difficult task. Between the various machines used (most of which were never tested to verify their specs), the many different exercise protocols, the many different patient populations and parameters studied etc., it just became too time consuming. At the same time, after working quite hard on it, we also realized that no one on this site seemed interested in this depth of content. Therefore, we abandoned it and focused on more important tasks.

      Having that been said, if you desire a reference for something specific, let me know and I will do my best to direct you the study and/or site where you can look through it. I do believe in evidence, but as my entire profession refuses to do anything new because of their “evidence-based” mentality, I am much more into the “evidence of no harm” approach. You can wait for 30 years if you choose. I am about helping people today. Western medicine is emergency medicine and failing our population miserably. This is becoming quite clearer by the day.

      • Pam Dohrs says:

        Hi Gabriel,

        Thank you for this post. I have learned a lot.

        I haven’t used pivotal vibration machine before. I tried the PowerPlate once and had headache for days so I think lineal is not for me (that’s all available here in Seattle areas).

        I came across a used vibration machine called Professional Euro Body Shaper. It claims that it can go up to 22 hz. and produces 10g. Are you familiar with it? I can’t not find any information on the internet that verifies its claims. Is it worth getting? Will I be able to get some good results from using it (bone density, muscle toning, etc)? Thank you in advance.

        Pam
        Seattle, WA
        Pam

      • Donna Tindall says:

        Do you think the Vibacore 1000 would be a good choice for WBF since it has spiral motion? I’m asking for a female 65 yrs old, 5’6″ tall, weighing 133 lbs and a male 72 years old, 5’8″ tall, weighing 170#. Both in good health but need low impact method to define muscle tone and eliminate toxins.

  69. Chamaigne says:

    I’m interested in your summary of the research! But I understand that it’s a mammoth task. I suggest you add a postscript to the article, though, so that it’s not promising a part 3 that isn’t coming.

    In this article, you said “These platforms have been selected because they meet a minimum performance criteria and have been validated through independent engineering analysis.” Like an earlier poster. I’d like to know what the minimum criteria were and who did the independent engineering testing.

    Thanks,

    Chamaigne

  70. hi Gabriel,
    I have been reading a lot about the health benefits of these machines and am thinking of getting one, but I’m concerned that what may be good for your bones or muscles may not be so good for your brain or internal organs. Has there been anything about about any negative side effects with especially at the higher hz settings? Specifically I’m wondering about any type of brain injury from the intense vibration or if there is any internal damage to organs.

  71. Tom Bunn says:

    I appreciate all the responses you have given, I know it must take alot of your time.

    I have a question on using WBV for the urinary problems of incontinence, frequency and urgency. I have seen some anecdotal information that says this could be useful. Do you have any information on this?

    Thanks

  72. Karen Dorman says:

    I apologize if the answer to my question is already posted here somewhere but to be honest I am having a hard time understanding the technical language. My husband and I recently purchased the Vibraforme Der Triumph Machine from Costco. I am wanting to know if this is the right machine and too if its safe for him to use. We were assured it would be good for him to help with pain management. He has a disk fusion in his neck with spinal damage. Nerve pain and fatigue. I have an experienced trainer willing to learn about the machine and help train him however I am struggling to know where I can get this information.
    Can you pls comment on the Vibraforme and as well direct me to a resource that I can give to our trainer. I really appreciate your comments!

  73. Donna Tindall says:

    Would Vibacore 1000 be the best option for muscle tone and toxin elimination for people 65-70 in a weight range of 130 to 175?

  74. Donna Tindall

    Yes. But it must be used properly. . eg… If you just stand upright , with legs slightly unlocked. It will feel good, but that’s about it.

    Their Demo video is useless. Just a gimmicky sales pitch. You need to Google…

    vibration training safety program ….. And follow a proper program ( only the poses you feel safe doing of course. Just be slow and careful. Never rush )

    Note: The Vibacore 1000 is a decent product. .

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