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	<title>Comments on: Whole Body Vibration Therapy: Benign Joint Hypermobility Syndrome (BJHS)</title>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Ettenson</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3266</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Ettenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pat,

As we have said in the past, machines like the ezfit (and the hundreds of poorly manufactured platforms like it) are extremely low quality and can not provide any additional benefit other than improved circulation, balance training, and massage. 

For bone density and weight loss, you will need a much better platform. With the ezfit, you will likely receive no additional benefit than doing the same exercises without a platform. 

Sorry to dissapoint you. We have provided a list of platforms on this site (article titled &quot;purchasing a platform - part II&quot;)  that we support. The medium to high acceleration platform is what you need. Otherwise, you&#039;d be better off spending your money on a gym membership or perhaps a qualified trainer to put together a good program (including nutrition) for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pat,</p>
<p>As we have said in the past, machines like the ezfit (and the hundreds of poorly manufactured platforms like it) are extremely low quality and can not provide any additional benefit other than improved circulation, balance training, and massage. </p>
<p>For bone density and weight loss, you will need a much better platform. With the ezfit, you will likely receive no additional benefit than doing the same exercises without a platform. </p>
<p>Sorry to dissapoint you. We have provided a list of platforms on this site (article titled &#8220;purchasing a platform &#8211; part II&#8221;)  that we support. The medium to high acceleration platform is what you need. Otherwise, you&#8217;d be better off spending your money on a gym membership or perhaps a qualified trainer to put together a good program (including nutrition) for you.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3265</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the ezfitmachine (vibration) good to help you lose weight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the ezfitmachine (vibration) good to help you lose weight?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Ettenson</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3021</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Ettenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to be paranoid Rick. This is the reality of Vibration Training and at the end of the day, the best built platforms deliver the best results. The building of them however is not cheap and that is why they often cost so much. There are a couple exceptions to this, but for the most part as I said, &quot;you get what you pay for&quot;. 

What most people fail to realize is that vibration is not about shaking. Its about reversing the process of walking or jumping whereby the ground (platform) hits you. With this in mind, we require solid engineering to deliver the appropriate forces. Forces strong enough to build muscle. If the platform is weak, the force is weak and the body has no need to respond. 

Some manufacturers offer 30-60 day trial periods so this might be worth pursuing. Although they may be expensive, if you see the benefits for you and your wife, you will easily break even against the medical costs that you will avoid.


As far as the price range you gave, you will struggle to find anything that is legitimate. On the other hand, the benefits of a cheap platform can include balance training, circulation, muscle relaxation, and lymph movement. Those do improve health and may be worth considering despite the limitations. Also, if you perform exercise on the platform, you are going to improve muscle function just from the mere fact that you are doing exercise. You just won&#039;t necesarily get the added benefit of the platform.

By the way, the harmful effects of Vibration are from industrial exposure so might want to pursue another profession besides road drill operator ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to be paranoid Rick. This is the reality of Vibration Training and at the end of the day, the best built platforms deliver the best results. The building of them however is not cheap and that is why they often cost so much. There are a couple exceptions to this, but for the most part as I said, &#8220;you get what you pay for&#8221;. </p>
<p>What most people fail to realize is that vibration is not about shaking. Its about reversing the process of walking or jumping whereby the ground (platform) hits you. With this in mind, we require solid engineering to deliver the appropriate forces. Forces strong enough to build muscle. If the platform is weak, the force is weak and the body has no need to respond. </p>
<p>Some manufacturers offer 30-60 day trial periods so this might be worth pursuing. Although they may be expensive, if you see the benefits for you and your wife, you will easily break even against the medical costs that you will avoid.</p>
<p>As far as the price range you gave, you will struggle to find anything that is legitimate. On the other hand, the benefits of a cheap platform can include balance training, circulation, muscle relaxation, and lymph movement. Those do improve health and may be worth considering despite the limitations. Also, if you perform exercise on the platform, you are going to improve muscle function just from the mere fact that you are doing exercise. You just won&#8217;t necesarily get the added benefit of the platform.</p>
<p>By the way, the harmful effects of Vibration are from industrial exposure so might want to pursue another profession besides road drill operator <img src='http://www.vibrationtraining.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3020</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gabriel

Your comments much appreciated.
I&#039;ve now gone from a state of mild confusion to one of utter paranoia!
I&#039;ve read through a few of the other related forums which advise me that ANYTHING I purchase will be complete and utter crap. 
Romy has an appointment tomorrow with her COPD specialist and we will discuss our findings to date. The possibility exists of &#039;try before one buys&#039; but I don&#039;t consider this to be the way forward, a bit like purchasing a mattress in a bedding shop, finding it &#039;brilliant&#039; and not taking into account that it will be a long term investment and finding the damned thing is too hard/too soft/too lumpy etc etc. after but a few weeks. 
I really do appreciate your help in this matter Gabriel and I will post again in due course after a period of contemplation.
NB: I must advise that my limit is around £1,000 sterling and if I can&#039;t find anything around this mark then Romy and I will apply to the local council for employment using a road drill or similar in an effort to gain vibration experience as it were!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gabriel</p>
<p>Your comments much appreciated.<br />
I&#8217;ve now gone from a state of mild confusion to one of utter paranoia!<br />
I&#8217;ve read through a few of the other related forums which advise me that ANYTHING I purchase will be complete and utter crap.<br />
Romy has an appointment tomorrow with her COPD specialist and we will discuss our findings to date. The possibility exists of &#8216;try before one buys&#8217; but I don&#8217;t consider this to be the way forward, a bit like purchasing a mattress in a bedding shop, finding it &#8216;brilliant&#8217; and not taking into account that it will be a long term investment and finding the damned thing is too hard/too soft/too lumpy etc etc. after but a few weeks.<br />
I really do appreciate your help in this matter Gabriel and I will post again in due course after a period of contemplation.<br />
NB: I must advise that my limit is around £1,000 sterling and if I can&#8217;t find anything around this mark then Romy and I will apply to the local council for employment using a road drill or similar in an effort to gain vibration experience as it were!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Ettenson</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3019</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Ettenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rick,

This machine is not verified or researched, so on this forum, we cannot recommend it. Putting that aside, I can guarantee it is nothing more than a large massager. Machines like this are a dime a dozen and the reason this industry has struggled to thrive. The benefits of the JTX Pro10 would be limited to massage and circulation (claudication treatment would be ok) for as long as the machine operates properly. The bottom line in this industry is that &quot;you get what you pay for&quot;. 

Unfortunately, there is nothing reliable in your price range. The minimum you would have to spend for a platform capable of delivering the benefits we discussed in the previous post would be $2700.  I am sorry to inform you of this. 

Let me know if I can help in any other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rick,</p>
<p>This machine is not verified or researched, so on this forum, we cannot recommend it. Putting that aside, I can guarantee it is nothing more than a large massager. Machines like this are a dime a dozen and the reason this industry has struggled to thrive. The benefits of the JTX Pro10 would be limited to massage and circulation (claudication treatment would be ok) for as long as the machine operates properly. The bottom line in this industry is that &#8220;you get what you pay for&#8221;. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, there is nothing reliable in your price range. The minimum you would have to spend for a platform capable of delivering the benefits we discussed in the previous post would be $2700.  I am sorry to inform you of this. </p>
<p>Let me know if I can help in any other way.</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3018</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gabriel

Thanks for your speedy reply and most helpful comments.

The machine I am considering is the JTX Pro10 which is available from JTX at £800.00. 

In the right direction or do you have better (same price) in mind?

Once again, my thanks.

Regards

Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gabriel</p>
<p>Thanks for your speedy reply and most helpful comments.</p>
<p>The machine I am considering is the JTX Pro10 which is available from JTX at £800.00. </p>
<p>In the right direction or do you have better (same price) in mind?</p>
<p>Once again, my thanks.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3017</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rick,

For both you an your wife, Vibration Training can certainly be beneficial. 

For your wife, it will serve as a safe and effective means to strengthen her muscles without placing strain on her cardiopulmonary system. She will have to build her progrm gradually and progress as tolerated of course. This is exactly the type of person for which this training method holds great promise (among many other types of course).

For you, given that clauducation has a strong circulatory component to it, the vibration will serve to enhance blood flow to the legs while also promoting strength and flexibility.

Don&#039;t forget to be sure the platform you purchase is verified and/or has shown to be beneficial through research. This is a messy industry with everyone trying to sell you something. Only several manufacturers have &quot;proven&quot; themselves to be legit.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rick,</p>
<p>For both you an your wife, Vibration Training can certainly be beneficial. </p>
<p>For your wife, it will serve as a safe and effective means to strengthen her muscles without placing strain on her cardiopulmonary system. She will have to build her progrm gradually and progress as tolerated of course. This is exactly the type of person for which this training method holds great promise (among many other types of course).</p>
<p>For you, given that clauducation has a strong circulatory component to it, the vibration will serve to enhance blood flow to the legs while also promoting strength and flexibility.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget to be sure the platform you purchase is verified and/or has shown to be beneficial through research. This is a messy industry with everyone trying to sell you something. Only several manufacturers have &#8220;proven&#8221; themselves to be legit.</p>
<p>Please let me know if you have any further questions.</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-3016</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will possibly purchase a quality machine for both wife and myself.
Romy (wife) has severe COPD (emphysema) and muscle wastage is becoming apparent. Will vibration trainig help in this instance please?

I have intermittent claudication which can be very painful after walking say a 1/4 mile. Once again, will V.T. help please?

Regards

Rick (U.K.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will possibly purchase a quality machine for both wife and myself.<br />
Romy (wife) has severe COPD (emphysema) and muscle wastage is becoming apparent. Will vibration trainig help in this instance please?</p>
<p>I have intermittent claudication which can be very painful after walking say a 1/4 mile. Once again, will V.T. help please?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Rick (U.K.)</p>
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		<title>By: dan pelletier</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/whole-body-vibration-therapy-benign-joint-hypermobility-syndrome-bjhs/#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator>dan pelletier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carol,

We have had the opportunity to give both machines a go, actually we have our hypervibe in a studio in calgary right between there home and commercial model.

As far as I am aware they have not released any independent tests on the platform and experience has shown there is a reason they don&#039;t.  Both machines did not perform by physical test (demo) anywhere near the galileo or the hypervibe.  Best I can say and take this for what it is without verification they operate under 15hz.

As always, a personal demo is always appropriate for a consumer when in doubt but if you have not tried a galileo or hypervibe your ability to associate by feel will be impaired.

Be wary of reviews as they are what they are, you have no idea whether they are real, biased or unbiased.

Gabriel has covered off there capabilities very well.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carol,</p>
<p>We have had the opportunity to give both machines a go, actually we have our hypervibe in a studio in calgary right between there home and commercial model.</p>
<p>As far as I am aware they have not released any independent tests on the platform and experience has shown there is a reason they don&#8217;t.  Both machines did not perform by physical test (demo) anywhere near the galileo or the hypervibe.  Best I can say and take this for what it is without verification they operate under 15hz.</p>
<p>As always, a personal demo is always appropriate for a consumer when in doubt but if you have not tried a galileo or hypervibe your ability to associate by feel will be impaired.</p>
<p>Be wary of reviews as they are what they are, you have no idea whether they are real, biased or unbiased.</p>
<p>Gabriel has covered off there capabilities very well.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Hyper Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyper Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol Ann,

Like Gabriel says... be cautions as to where the reviews are coming from, for example there&#039;s a website from a self proclaimed &quot;Vibration Professor&quot; evaluating machines for the good of the consumer. With a closer look you will see that there is no such individual... his image can be seen in other totally unrelated marketing campaigns. The site is controlled by another company cleverly tiring to market their own machine.

I will also share that I have a VibrSlim Europlate, T-Zone VT-8, 12 and 15 sitting alongside a HyperVibe... there is no comparison of any to the ladder choice...... period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol Ann,</p>
<p>Like Gabriel says&#8230; be cautions as to where the reviews are coming from, for example there&#8217;s a website from a self proclaimed &#8220;Vibration Professor&#8221; evaluating machines for the good of the consumer. With a closer look you will see that there is no such individual&#8230; his image can be seen in other totally unrelated marketing campaigns. The site is controlled by another company cleverly tiring to market their own machine.</p>
<p>I will also share that I have a VibrSlim Europlate, T-Zone VT-8, 12 and 15 sitting alongside a HyperVibe&#8230; there is no comparison of any to the ladder choice&#8230;&#8230; period.</p>
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