Comments on: 12 Guidelines for Opening a WBV Studio http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/ All about the vibration machine, vibration plate and power plate industry. Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:04:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Bea http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1914 Bea Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:29:52 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1914 Hi I am new here and have read through the site and am so please I have come across it ! Basically I am based in the UK and looking to start a Studio, I need all the help I can get as I have no experiance in this field, I have had 2 free sessions at other studios nearby but apart from that nothing. I am meeting with a rep at Oscill-8 to have a look at the machines.....and basically this is what I need some expertise on... 1. Are these machines ok? my other option is one from ultim8 fitness? 2. Do I need any sort of qualification to do this ? I understand you receive training etc from who ever you purchase from. Sorry to sound so naive but its something I would love to do I am at the moment a full time mum, and in my spare time I have been looking for premises etc, my other concern is that I would need some one to be there on a full time basis as I cant, does this person need to be qualified, also what insurances do i need? thank you so much for reading and I look forward to any help/advise I can get ! Bea Hi

I am new here and have read through the site and am so please I have come across it !

Basically I am based in the UK and looking to start a Studio, I need all the help I can get as I have no experiance in this field, I have had 2 free sessions at other studios nearby but apart from that nothing. I am meeting with a rep at Oscill-8 to have a look at the machines…..and basically this is what I need some expertise on…

1. Are these machines ok? my other option is one from ultim8 fitness?
2. Do I need any sort of qualification to do this ? I understand you receive training etc from who ever you purchase from.

Sorry to sound so naive but its something I would love to do I am at the moment a full time mum, and in my spare time I have been looking for premises etc, my other concern is that I would need some one to be there on a full time basis as I cant, does this person need to be qualified, also what insurances do i need?

thank you so much for reading and I look forward to any help/advise I can get !

Bea

]]> By: Philippa Church http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1899 Philippa Church Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:17:27 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1899 I agree with what you say above. Just think we're dealing with two very different cases. I think one merits exactly your response and hopefully the other does not. We are dealing with two separate companies here. One of them did invite me to visit and hasn't used people's names and I hope will make a contribution to the industry. I agree with what you say above. Just think we’re dealing with two very different cases. I think one merits exactly your response and hopefully the other does not. We are dealing with two separate companies here. One of them did invite me to visit and hasn’t used people’s names and I hope will make a contribution to the industry.

]]> By: Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1884 Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:18:43 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1884 Caution rant alert.... Sounds lovely, but on the same note, people who act unethically, underhanded and secretive in the name of greed would naturally feel intimidated if they decide to come on "after" they have already done their bad deeds. They know they will probably be forced to front up to their behavior before any goodwill can be regained. No-one would like that. Remember these people are grownups who made the choice to play the game that way. I would prefer to help open and honest people first as I believe that should reflect the industry I want to be a part of. From what I have seen in the last few years these types of people ONLY come on to "take" from the community never to "give". They read but never comment. They operate out out fear and are anti-competitive and by proxy they will never do the right thing and help the community, because they do not understand why they should. Can you see them standing up for what is right, just because it is, not because they can get something out of it. This particular case.... Lets list the behavior... (a) Ex customer decides to set up studio ( that's ok ) (b) Uses another companies name ( maybe legal if a Trade-Mark is not held in that particular country, but defiantly unethical ) (c) Keeps it a secret from said studio. ( that's not ) (d) Bans original studio owner from visiting ( ?????? ) So this person got the idea of opening a studio from the positive experience gained from someone else's dream in such a new industry. But all of a sudden they are not good enough to mix with ? Does that sound like the kind of person our industry needs. When we are still trying to fight basic misconceptions about how/if Vibration Training works. I am sorry but we in no way can be held responsible for these peoples actions. If they feel guilty and intimidated they have no-one else to blame but themselves. I have given one person caught up in this a task to do, to show they are on the communities side and does not agree with some of the things being done. Time will tell if we win one over to our side. Caution rant alert….

Sounds lovely, but on the same note, people who act unethically, underhanded and secretive in the name of greed would naturally feel intimidated if they decide to come on “after” they have already done their bad deeds. They know they will probably be forced to front up to their behavior before any goodwill can be regained.

No-one would like that.

Remember these people are grownups who made the choice to play the game that way. I would prefer to help open and honest people first as I believe that should reflect the industry I want to be a part of.

From what I have seen in the last few years these types of people ONLY come on to “take” from the community never to “give”. They read but never comment.

They operate out out fear and are anti-competitive and by proxy they will never do the right thing and help the community, because they do not understand why they should. Can you see them standing up for what is right, just because it is, not because they can get something out of it.

This particular case….

Lets list the behavior…

(a) Ex customer decides to set up studio ( that’s ok )
(b) Uses another companies name ( maybe legal if a Trade-Mark is not held in that particular country, but defiantly unethical )
(c) Keeps it a secret from said studio. ( that’s not )
(d) Bans original studio owner from visiting ( ?????? )

So this person got the idea of opening a studio from the positive experience gained from someone else’s dream in such a new industry. But all of a sudden they are not good enough to mix with ?

Does that sound like the kind of person our industry needs. When we are still trying to fight basic misconceptions about how/if Vibration Training works.

I am sorry but we in no way can be held responsible for these peoples actions. If they feel guilty and intimidated they have no-one else to blame but themselves.

I have given one person caught up in this a task to do, to show they are on the communities side and does not agree with some of the things being done. Time will tell if we win one over to our side.

]]> By: ted http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1888 ted Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:28:29 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1888 As the site administrator, I agree with the "justice tempered with mercy: statement Philippa, we don't want people to not ask questions or other companies to be afraid to offer their two cents. None of us have the right to say we are the final authority on this subject, but we are all learning as this industry develops. :) As the site administrator, I agree with the “justice tempered with mercy: statement Philippa, we don’t want people to not ask questions or other companies to be afraid to offer their two cents. None of us have the right to say we are the final authority on this subject, but we are all learning as this industry develops. :)

]]> By: Philippa Church http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1887 Philippa Church Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:22:28 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1887 Di - am completely in accord with what you say and yes have also been at the end of the brutal approach! Like you although tough at the time - give it a bit of tiem and you can totally see the reason for it and always for positive effect if difficult to swallow. I suppose my point is for people that haven't seen the positive effect - why would they stick around? My worry is that we drive away people who want to do it right - but who may have made a few mistakes (mindfully or unaware). Don't know what the solution is as see the need for a strong stance. Just maybe that justice tempered with mercy stance is the way forward. We surely don't want to make this a forum where people are too scared to ask questions at the risk of sounding stupid or being attacked? Di – am completely in accord with what you say and yes have also been at the end of the brutal approach! Like you although tough at the time – give it a bit of tiem and you can totally see the reason for it and always for positive effect if difficult to swallow. I suppose my point is for people that haven’t seen the positive effect – why would they stick around? My worry is that we drive away people who want to do it right – but who may have made a few mistakes (mindfully or unaware). Don’t know what the solution is as see the need for a strong stance. Just maybe that justice tempered with mercy stance is the way forward. We surely don’t want to make this a forum where people are too scared to ask questions at the risk of sounding stupid or being attacked?

]]> By: Di Heap - VibePlus http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1886 Di Heap - VibePlus Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:12:40 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1886 Philippa, as another female I understand well how intimidating this forum can feel and talking with Lloyd can be even worse as I know you have experienced. He demands perfection in use of the machines and wont take any excuse at all. I think his manner has reduced the strongest of us to tears at times. As you know there's very good reason for his strong attitudes - the safety and excellent instruction of the customer comes first - and second - and last. We as trainers and business owners are there to provide this service. So while we are worrying about smaller or vaster matters Lloyd cuts right to the basic issue and he gets results - everyone gains!!! There is a little irritation that people come on here and simply ask - what machine shall I buy? I saw a crazyfit and it was cheap in price too. I want to look like Arnold Swarchenegger or whatever female model is in vogue, and I want it to happen in 3 weeks ;-) We just get tired of saying - please read the articles. They are all listed in the beginners guide when you posted your question. I think I am also losing patience with people with that question now ;-) Philippa, as another female I understand well how intimidating this forum can feel and talking with Lloyd can be even worse as I know you have experienced. He demands perfection in use of the machines and wont take any excuse at all. I think his manner has reduced the strongest of us to tears at times.

As you know there’s very good reason for his strong attitudes – the safety and excellent instruction of the customer comes first – and second – and last. We as trainers and business owners are there to provide this service. So while we are worrying about smaller or vaster matters Lloyd cuts right to the basic issue and he gets results – everyone gains!!!

There is a little irritation that people come on here and simply ask – what machine shall I buy? I saw a crazyfit and it was cheap in price too. I want to look like Arnold Swarchenegger or whatever female model is in vogue, and I want it to happen in 3 weeks ;-) We just get tired of saying – please read the articles. They are all listed in the beginners guide when you posted your question. I think I am also losing patience with people with that question now ;-)

]]> By: Philippa Church http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1885 Philippa Church Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:04:11 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1885 Yes - have explained this to Hypervibe Yes – have explained this to Hypervibe

]]> By: Di Heap - VibePlus http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1892 Di Heap - VibePlus Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:01:14 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1892 Also I think its deplorable to take another company's trading name. A quick search of vibration training in google brings up many company names and HyperVibe is already in use. Also the brand owner markets pivotal machines so it creates confusion for a studio having lineal machines to use that name and can only work against them. Also I think its deplorable to take another company’s trading name. A quick search of vibration training in google brings up many company names and HyperVibe is already in use. Also the brand owner markets pivotal machines so it creates confusion for a studio having lineal machines to use that name and can only work against them.

]]> By: Philippa Church http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1891 Philippa Church Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:58:43 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1891 Apologies for the bad typing - wrote too quickly and didn't check! Apologies for the bad typing – wrote too quickly and didn’t check!

]]> By: Philippa Church http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/07/12-guidelines-for-opening-a-wbv-studio/#comment-1890 Philippa Church Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:55:24 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=582#comment-1890 Hi Di Thanks. One of the things that came out talking to the For Goodness Shake team was just how intimidating this forums comes across. Their point was they were trying to do it right but felt attacked on all fronts by the people here (me included I would guess). I did explain that everyone on here is passionate about protecting standards within the industry and that can come across as aggressive (partcularly to us Brits who are no where near as direct as you Antipodeans!) However the thing I pointed out and would really want to stress to anyone looking at this is... When the chips are down - if you are playing for the team, the team will back you all the way. I can personally speak from experience in terms of this and it is worth more than any guarantee. 2) The point you made abut seeking advice is paramount. There is no amount of training that can prepare you for all the eventualities that walk in your studio. I so value the fact that as part of the IVTRB I can feel Ok about emailing (amd calling) Lloyd all hours of the day and night (I probably am responsible if Lloyd looks 10 years older than his age) as there have been too many to count examples of where I have needed to get support and back up. As I said earlier- running a studio can look easy to an onlooker who doesn't see all the differing conditions that we deal with. I can't think of any one else I would feel confident in asking advice for if someone walked in with an extreme condition or anyone that would have suficient experience or knowledge. I would just like to note that I am highly aware that sometimes these posts come across as an ad campaign. They are not. Just that it can be hard to stress the importance of what you are saying without it sounding slightly evangelical at times. There is a reason why people are so loyal to the forum and to Lloyd - and it't not some bizarre cult or brainwashing. For me, I just cannot see how I would have coped (safely and confidently) without the support of the latter two. Hi Di
Thanks. One of the things that came out talking to the For Goodness Shake team was just how intimidating this forums comes across. Their point was they were trying to do it right but felt attacked on all fronts by the people here (me included I would guess). I did explain that everyone on here is passionate about protecting standards within the industry and that can come across as aggressive (partcularly to us Brits who are no where near as direct as you Antipodeans!) However the thing I pointed out and would really want to stress to anyone looking at this is…
When the chips are down – if you are playing for the team, the team will back you all the way. I can personally speak from experience in terms of this and it is worth more than any guarantee.
2) The point you made abut seeking advice is paramount. There is no amount of training that can prepare you for all the eventualities that walk in your studio. I so value the fact that as part of the IVTRB I can feel Ok about emailing (amd calling) Lloyd all hours of the day and night (I probably am responsible if Lloyd looks 10 years older than his age) as there have been too many to count examples of where I have needed to get support and back up. As I said earlier- running a studio can look easy to an onlooker who doesn’t see all the differing conditions that we deal with. I can’t think of any one else I would feel confident in asking advice for if someone walked in with an extreme condition or anyone that would have suficient experience or knowledge.

I would just like to note that I am highly aware that sometimes these posts come across as an ad campaign. They are not. Just that it can be hard to stress the importance of what you are saying without it sounding slightly evangelical at times. There is a reason why people are so loyal to the forum and to Lloyd – and it’t not some bizarre cult or brainwashing. For me, I just cannot see how I would have coped (safely and confidently) without the support of the latter two.

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