Comments on: What is Power Plate's Acceleration Training? http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/ All about the vibration machine, vibration plate and power plate industry. Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:04:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: John Weatherly http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1827 John Weatherly Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:12:56 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1827 Dr. Jim Peterson, now retired from the U.S. Army - who spent 20 years or more with the U.S. Army at West Point - once made a remark to me several years ago at a conference. Dr. Peterson said: "Twenty years in the army taught me there were a lot of people with anal retention." Some people are very arrogant. I do believe there are good people out there. You just have to find them. Dr. Jim Peterson, now retired from the U.S. Army – who spent 20 years or more with the U.S. Army at West Point – once made a remark to me several years ago at a conference. Dr. Peterson said: “Twenty years in the army taught me there were a lot of people with anal retention.”

Some people are very arrogant. I do believe there are good people out there. You just have to find them.

]]> By: Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1828 Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:20:20 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1828 This is what has happened to date.... I have been approached by Auckland Uni 3 times. All 3 meetings they brought in academics from different sporting fields who were apparently go to design the programs and protocols. None of the departments I asked to be there were invited. They made it clear they were not going to follow my advice, they had their own ideas. And they wanted a machine at the Uni. I in my normal highly diplomatic way I quizzed them on their basic knowledge and they openly admitted after a while they knew nothing. But they would " work it out as they went along". I told them they would never get my 240 kg Training machines to play with, their lack of knowledge was embarrassing and they were a bunch of clowns. On a positive note, I did add however if they wanted to use any of the machines at my studio ( just down the road and open 7 days ) under the watchful eye of my staff, my door was always open. They never came ? This is what has happened to date….

I have been approached by Auckland Uni 3 times. All 3 meetings they brought in academics from different sporting fields who were apparently go to design the programs and protocols. None of the departments I asked to be there were invited.

They made it clear they were not going to follow my advice, they had their own ideas. And they wanted a machine at the Uni.

I in my normal highly diplomatic way I quizzed them on their basic knowledge and they openly admitted after a while they knew nothing. But they would ” work it out as they went along”.

I told them they would never get my 240 kg Training machines to play with, their lack of knowledge was embarrassing and they were a bunch of clowns.

On a positive note, I did add however if they wanted to use any of the machines at my studio ( just down the road and open 7 days ) under the watchful eye of my staff, my door was always open.

They never came ?

]]> By: John Weatherly http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1835 John Weatherly Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:15:39 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1835 I don't know why researchers would fail to follow Lloyd's guidelines on his equipment? Has anybody asked researchers to do this? To me, if Lloyd could get legit unbiased studies done on his equipment showing measurable results that would be the best marketing in the world. With all of Power Plate's problems, it would put his training programs and equipment at the forefront. To not have or try to have studies done does not make any sense at all to me. I don’t know why researchers would fail to follow Lloyd’s guidelines on his equipment? Has anybody asked researchers to do this? To me, if Lloyd could get legit unbiased studies done on his equipment showing measurable results that would be the best marketing in the world. With all of Power Plate’s problems, it would put his training programs and equipment at the forefront. To not have or try to have studies done does not make any sense at all to me.

]]> By: Di Heap - VibePlus http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1844 Di Heap - VibePlus Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:52:12 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1844 "I’d love to see unbiased research on Lloyd’s Vibra-Train equipment. But, we have to find a way to get somebody to do it." Me too, John, but I know Lloyd will only allow this if the Researcher follows the Safety Program and I get the feeling that the only people who have shown interest so far just want to jump on the machine and do whatever they choose. Vibra-Train machines are high force so too much at stake in the wrong hands. It's still unbiased when following the designers program - in fact it's sensible as that's what gives results - machine + program “I’d love to see unbiased research on Lloyd’s Vibra-Train equipment. But, we have to find a way to get somebody to do it.”

Me too, John, but I know Lloyd will only allow this if the Researcher follows the Safety Program and I get the feeling that the only people who have shown interest so far just want to jump on the machine and do whatever they choose. Vibra-Train machines are high force so too much at stake in the wrong hands.

It’s still unbiased when following the designers program – in fact it’s sensible as that’s what gives results – machine + program

]]> By: John Weatherly http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1831 John Weatherly Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:12:56 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1831 I don't know Philippa. They would probably say it's a placebo effect. What they fail to realize is even if it would be placebo it's still helping. That and the fear of stepping out from amidst the skepticism of their peers. Look how long it took weight training to be accepted by the medical folks. Money is a big issue. I spoke with another scientist this am. He said he thought Dr. Nieman may have agreed to let Power Plate use the words "Power Plate Research Center" at Appalachian State in order to get the funding in the first place. This same scientist has/is doing studies on Power Plate and said they were supposed to be getting some more money from Power Plate but have not heard anything for a while. It sounds like Power Plate is in financial trouble. Somebody has to fund studies. One thing Dr. McBride mentioned in our talk yesterday was research on the manipulation of volume and intensity in periodized exercise programs. This is something I've been interested in for many years for athletes (along with the general public). And there isn't much research on this. Why? Because you have to find somebody to fund it. I'd love to see unbiased research on Lloyd's Vibra-Train equipment. But, we have to find a way to get somebody to do it. I don’t know Philippa. They would probably say it’s a placebo effect. What they fail to realize is even if it would be placebo it’s still helping. That and the fear of stepping out from amidst the skepticism of their peers. Look how long it took weight training to be accepted by the medical folks.

Money is a big issue. I spoke with another scientist this am. He said he thought Dr. Nieman may have agreed to let Power Plate use the words “Power Plate Research Center” at Appalachian State in order to get the funding in the first place. This same scientist has/is doing studies on Power Plate and said they were supposed to be getting some more money from Power Plate but have not heard anything for a while. It sounds like Power Plate is in financial trouble.

Somebody has to fund studies. One thing Dr. McBride mentioned in our talk yesterday was research on the manipulation of volume and intensity in periodized exercise programs. This is something I’ve been interested in for many years for athletes (along with the general public). And there isn’t much research on this. Why? Because you have to find somebody to fund it.

I’d love to see unbiased research on Lloyd’s Vibra-Train equipment. But, we have to find a way to get somebody to do it.

]]> By: Philippa Church http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1832 Philippa Church Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:41:01 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1832 Good point John OK, at the risk of sounding blonde and female two attributes that I know don't stand me in good stead... Why haven't any studies been done on good machines? Yes I know that it would be too much for Vibra-train to front up - but any research company or hospital worth it's salt will surely do research and work out the these are the best machines. I am genuinely at a loss why so many supposedly pioneering departments just dismiss without looking. I have a customer with a very rare progressive disease who has seen huge benefits from this and has improved in spite of the fact that he is set to decline. He attributes this to Vibration Training yet the hospital refuse to investigate. Naiive I know... but why do they do this? Good point John
OK, at the risk of sounding blonde and female two attributes that I know don’t stand me in good stead…
Why haven’t any studies been done on good machines? Yes I know that it would be too much for Vibra-train to front up – but any research company or hospital worth it’s salt will surely do research and work out the these are the best machines. I am genuinely at a loss why so many supposedly pioneering departments just dismiss without looking. I have a customer with a very rare progressive disease who has seen huge benefits from this and has improved in spite of the fact that he is set to decline. He attributes this to Vibration Training yet the hospital refuse to investigate. Naiive I know… but why do they do this?

]]> By: John Weatherly http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1834 John Weatherly Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:34:54 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1834 I got it straight from one of the horses mouths today about the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State. I spoke with Dr. Jeff McBride this morning. McBride said he was involved with "one" study on Power Plate and Dr. Nieman did "one" study on Power Plate. That's it! They have no plans to do any more studies on Power Plate. Now, isn't it unethical for Power Plate to have Dr. Nieman listed on their Advisory Board saying he runs the "Power Plate Research Center" at Appalachian State? It doesn't even exist now and apparently never did amount to much. McBride said Power Plate gave them some funding. He also said companies like Power Plate make equipment and then come to researchers like him wanting "to prove" it works. You can read between the lines on that last comment. I also asked McBride about vibration for the elderly. He didn't see any benefit over normal strength training saying they can lift for a short duration of 15-20 min or so and see the same results. Thus, it appears McBride is not very impressed with vibration after his one study on Power Plate. He did say it may have a slight 1-2% value as a warmup or neural potentiation for elite athletes but that was about it. He said you can get the same "warmup" effect running down the field a time or two and "why pay $10,000 for a vibration platform? Dr. McBride is enjoyable to speak with. I was almost in tears and rolling on the floor with some of his comments. I had to cut the conversation short to get in my workout this am. A delight to speak with - Dr. Jeff McBride. He gives his straight opinions. Lloyd, since there's no Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State, maybe you could get some studies done on your equipment? You'd have to do a good job convincing McBride after his experiences with Power Plate. He thinks it's "a fad." I got it straight from one of the horses mouths today about the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State. I spoke with Dr. Jeff McBride this morning. McBride said he was involved with “one” study on Power Plate and Dr. Nieman did “one” study on Power Plate. That’s it! They have no plans to do any more studies on Power Plate. Now, isn’t it unethical for Power Plate to have Dr. Nieman listed on their Advisory Board saying he runs the “Power Plate Research Center” at Appalachian State? It doesn’t even exist now and apparently never did amount to much. McBride said Power Plate gave them some funding. He also said companies like Power Plate make equipment and then come to researchers like him wanting “to prove” it works. You can read between the lines on that last comment.

I also asked McBride about vibration for the elderly. He didn’t see any benefit over normal strength training saying they can lift for a short duration of 15-20 min or so and see the same results.

Thus, it appears McBride is not very impressed with vibration after his one study on Power Plate. He did say it may have a slight 1-2% value as a warmup or neural potentiation for elite athletes but that was about it. He said you can get the same “warmup” effect running down the field a time or two and “why pay $10,000 for a vibration platform?

Dr. McBride is enjoyable to speak with. I was almost in tears and rolling on the floor with some of his comments. I had to cut the conversation short to get in my workout this am. A delight to speak with – Dr. Jeff McBride. He gives his straight opinions.

Lloyd, since there’s no Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State, maybe you could get some studies done on your equipment? You’d have to do a good job convincing McBride after his experiences with Power Plate. He thinks it’s “a fad.”

]]> By: John Weatherly http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1833 John Weatherly Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:08:56 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1833 Google Dr. David Nieman and his information comes up saying he is a "doctor of public health" yet the idiots at Power Plate have him listed on their advisory board as a PhD. Google Dr. David Nieman and his information comes up saying he is a “doctor of public health” yet the idiots at Power Plate have him listed on their advisory board as a PhD.

]]> By: John Weatherly http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1829 John Weatherly Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:21:16 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1829 One other thing, I'm quite sure Dr. Nieman is a doctor of public health (DPH) and not a PhD. Perhaps minor but you'd think Power Plate could at least list his doctoral degree correctly since he is on the Advisory Board. But, oh well, this is Power Plate so what do you expect from the dim bulb marketers that come up with this stuff? One other thing, I’m quite sure Dr. Nieman is a doctor of public health (DPH) and not a PhD. Perhaps minor but you’d think Power Plate could at least list his doctoral degree correctly since he is on the Advisory Board. But, oh well, this is Power Plate so what do you expect from the dim bulb marketers that come up with this stuff?

]]> By: John Weathery http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/what-is-power-plates-acceleration-training/#comment-1843 John Weathery Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:46:22 +0000 http://www.vibrationtraining.net/?p=554#comment-1843 One other thing to add about the Power Plate Advisory Board that I mentioned in the above June 30 post. A bird (reliable bird who's a scientist) told me a few weeks ago that Dr. David Nieman does not run the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State. Dr. Jeff McBride is the one who actually runs it. But, Power Plate has Dr. Nieman listed on their Advisory Board - probably because Nieman has received $3 million in funding over his career and it sounds impressive. Thus, it seems deceiving that Power Plate has Nieman on the Advisory Board if McBride is actually the one who runs it. And I doubt if Nieman (or McBride) have ever communicated with Mark Verstegen (who's also on the Power Plate Advisory Board). Still no response from Mr. Verstegen. One other thing to add about the Power Plate Advisory Board that I mentioned in the above June 30 post. A bird (reliable bird who’s a scientist) told me a few weeks ago that Dr. David Nieman does not run the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State. Dr. Jeff McBride is the one who actually runs it. But, Power Plate has Dr. Nieman listed on their Advisory Board – probably because Nieman has received $3 million in funding over his career and it sounds impressive. Thus, it seems deceiving that Power Plate has Nieman on the Advisory Board if McBride is actually the one who runs it. And I doubt if Nieman (or McBride) have ever communicated with Mark Verstegen (who’s also on the Power Plate Advisory Board). Still no response from Mr. Verstegen.

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