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	<title>Comments on: Vibration Therapy: Shaking Off Knee Pain (part 1)</title>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/vibration-therapy-skaking-off-knee-pain/#comment-1861</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...that&#039;s a rough one! Sounds like you are doing well despite the trauma though. Muscle can always be built back up (unless the nerve is damaged of course). The circulatory issues seem like a major component of the final steps of the recovery too but that should also be responsive to the vibration training. The &quot;loose body&quot; (bone chip) will certainly potentially create a bit of recovery yo yo if it interferes with range of motion. These chips have a tendency to move around a bit and with vibration, you need to be prepared for that possibility. Has that been the case? If not, I wouldn&#039;t be concerned.

I am not sure about Wave. From my understanding, it is more of a therapy platform than a training platform and it seems you are stradling two worlds here (therapy and training). Probably good to get Lloyd to weigh in here.

If you are in Southern CA, take a trip to Hypergravity and demo the platform anyway. Be sure to go twice as the first time may be unreliable for getting the feel of this unique form of training. I have used it with success on several individuals in your situation. The strength / hypertrophy (muscle building)results take some time and require work, but things like circulatory changes and ROM improvements (which go hand in hand) are quite rapid. Again, Lloyd would be a good source of whether or not the safety program he has created is the way to go for you given your goals.

Hope that helps. Di made a good recommendation though so talk to the people at Wave and see how they differ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;that&#8217;s a rough one! Sounds like you are doing well despite the trauma though. Muscle can always be built back up (unless the nerve is damaged of course). The circulatory issues seem like a major component of the final steps of the recovery too but that should also be responsive to the vibration training. The &#8220;loose body&#8221; (bone chip) will certainly potentially create a bit of recovery yo yo if it interferes with range of motion. These chips have a tendency to move around a bit and with vibration, you need to be prepared for that possibility. Has that been the case? If not, I wouldn&#8217;t be concerned.</p>
<p>I am not sure about Wave. From my understanding, it is more of a therapy platform than a training platform and it seems you are stradling two worlds here (therapy and training). Probably good to get Lloyd to weigh in here.</p>
<p>If you are in Southern CA, take a trip to Hypergravity and demo the platform anyway. Be sure to go twice as the first time may be unreliable for getting the feel of this unique form of training. I have used it with success on several individuals in your situation. The strength / hypertrophy (muscle building)results take some time and require work, but things like circulatory changes and ROM improvements (which go hand in hand) are quite rapid. Again, Lloyd would be a good source of whether or not the safety program he has created is the way to go for you given your goals.</p>
<p>Hope that helps. Di made a good recommendation though so talk to the people at Wave and see how they differ.</p>
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		<title>By: Di Heap - VibePlus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Di Heap - VibePlus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dom, I suggest you have a talk to the guys at Wave and see if you can arrange a demo of their machine. They are physios and will guide you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dom, I suggest you have a talk to the guys at Wave and see if you can arrange a demo of their machine. They are physios and will guide you.</p>
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		<title>By: dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel,

Yes, this site is an amazing resource for reviews/info on specific machines as well.  I was considering going with a Vibraslim until I read:

http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/warning-to-home-users-heres-how-you-are-getting-cheated/

The post and most comments pertaining to the vibraslim are almost 2 years old.  That said, it looks like vibraslim has a newer model, but still way iffy.

Other than the Vibraslim consideration, I saw that lloyd recommended the HyperGravity and the Wave...since I currently live in Southern California.  HyperGravity looks beefy and more of a solid product...with a fitting pricetag to boot.  No displayed price for the Wave.

Even though the Vibraslim looks like a total ripoff, I was curious to opinions of whether or not it would benefit my rehab at all...or have a negative effect.  Also, I saw a link to the Pineapple gyms/machines.  Any comments on those machines for rehab?

A little about my injury since you asked; Overshot a landing, basically falling ~30 feet down, almost completely onto one leg, onto ice.  Wasn&#039;t pretty.  I compressed my knee so that I caused severe trauma to the cartilage and chipped a little piece off my femur.  I also tore all (that I am aware of) the muscles in my calf area and around my knee.

Muscles are all healed(but atrophied) and I have been nicely recovering via stretching techniques/herbal supplements, and my knee has been doing wonders as of late.  For normal walking around the house/short trips I don&#039;t need to use a cane anymore.  But my range of motion is still at about 90% and the knee still has slight swelling.  My circulation is a problem right now too...feet get cold easily, etc etc.

My injury has prevented me from basically living life like what it once was.  The last thing I want is surgery, so I have been taking the best care of it that I possibly can.  Extreme sports may not be in my future anymore, but I still would like to have an active life where my knee can be used.

If a vibration machine can effectively assist the healing then it will be a small price to pay to get my life as a whole back on track.  And from the user comments, it looks like it will! ...as long as I pick the right machine and use it properly.

Any more advice or paths in the right direction would be greatly appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel,</p>
<p>Yes, this site is an amazing resource for reviews/info on specific machines as well.  I was considering going with a Vibraslim until I read:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/warning-to-home-users-heres-how-you-are-getting-cheated/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/warning-to-home-users-heres-how-you-are-getting-cheated/</a></p>
<p>The post and most comments pertaining to the vibraslim are almost 2 years old.  That said, it looks like vibraslim has a newer model, but still way iffy.</p>
<p>Other than the Vibraslim consideration, I saw that lloyd recommended the HyperGravity and the Wave&#8230;since I currently live in Southern California.  HyperGravity looks beefy and more of a solid product&#8230;with a fitting pricetag to boot.  No displayed price for the Wave.</p>
<p>Even though the Vibraslim looks like a total ripoff, I was curious to opinions of whether or not it would benefit my rehab at all&#8230;or have a negative effect.  Also, I saw a link to the Pineapple gyms/machines.  Any comments on those machines for rehab?</p>
<p>A little about my injury since you asked; Overshot a landing, basically falling ~30 feet down, almost completely onto one leg, onto ice.  Wasn&#8217;t pretty.  I compressed my knee so that I caused severe trauma to the cartilage and chipped a little piece off my femur.  I also tore all (that I am aware of) the muscles in my calf area and around my knee.</p>
<p>Muscles are all healed(but atrophied) and I have been nicely recovering via stretching techniques/herbal supplements, and my knee has been doing wonders as of late.  For normal walking around the house/short trips I don&#8217;t need to use a cane anymore.  But my range of motion is still at about 90% and the knee still has slight swelling.  My circulation is a problem right now too&#8230;feet get cold easily, etc etc.</p>
<p>My injury has prevented me from basically living life like what it once was.  The last thing I want is surgery, so I have been taking the best care of it that I possibly can.  Extreme sports may not be in my future anymore, but I still would like to have an active life where my knee can be used.</p>
<p>If a vibration machine can effectively assist the healing then it will be a small price to pay to get my life as a whole back on track.  And from the user comments, it looks like it will! &#8230;as long as I pick the right machine and use it properly.</p>
<p>Any more advice or paths in the right direction would be greatly appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dom,

Glad you found the information on this site helpful. Be sure to read through the articles on this site thoroughly before making a purchase and make sure you are performing the exercises on the platfom properly and with caution. &quot;Desperate&quot; users can easily overuse the platforms. Good luck and be sure to get back to us once you have started you vibration therapy regimen.

May I ask...can you define &quot;blew out&quot;? Assuming a ligament injury? Did you have surgery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dom,</p>
<p>Glad you found the information on this site helpful. Be sure to read through the articles on this site thoroughly before making a purchase and make sure you are performing the exercises on the platfom properly and with caution. &#8220;Desperate&#8221; users can easily overuse the platforms. Good luck and be sure to get back to us once you have started you vibration therapy regimen.</p>
<p>May I ask&#8230;can you define &#8220;blew out&#8221;? Assuming a ligament injury? Did you have surgery?</p>
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		<title>By: dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lloyd, gabe, and DI,

Thanks so much for the plethora of information.  I royally blew my knee out snowboarding this year and seems like I have hit a roadblock with my recovery.  It was suggested to me to look into vibration therapy, and I stumbled upon this site.

Not even counting all the described benefits stated throughout this site, this article/comments alone has persuaded me to purchase a machine.  I can only hope that through determination and hard work that I can have a success story like DI&#039;s.

This knee injury is a real pain in the ass when trying to find that &#039;fine line&#039; of exercise/rest ratio.  A vibration machine looks like it will help me get some exercise without having to work my knee in a negative manner...and help rebuild it at the same time.

Just wanted to say thanks =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lloyd, gabe, and DI,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the plethora of information.  I royally blew my knee out snowboarding this year and seems like I have hit a roadblock with my recovery.  It was suggested to me to look into vibration therapy, and I stumbled upon this site.</p>
<p>Not even counting all the described benefits stated throughout this site, this article/comments alone has persuaded me to purchase a machine.  I can only hope that through determination and hard work that I can have a success story like DI&#8217;s.</p>
<p>This knee injury is a real pain in the ass when trying to find that &#8216;fine line&#8217; of exercise/rest ratio.  A vibration machine looks like it will help me get some exercise without having to work my knee in a negative manner&#8230;and help rebuild it at the same time.</p>
<p>Just wanted to say thanks =)</p>
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		<title>By: John Weatherly</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/06/vibration-therapy-skaking-off-knee-pain/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>John Weatherly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel,

Email Lloyd if you have his email and he can give you mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel,</p>
<p>Email Lloyd if you have his email and he can give you mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just realized I put your name in the name box...oops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just realized I put your name in the name box&#8230;oops</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that....web design flaw. Email me at ptgde at hotmail dot com. Look forward to chatting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that&#8230;.web design flaw. Email me at ptgde at hotmail dot com. Look forward to chatting.</p>
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		<title>By: John Weatherly</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Weatherly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel,

I went to your site and my message did not go through.  It said something about spam filter, to type in the 7th word, and there weren&#039;t any words there.  I will try again another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel,</p>
<p>I went to your site and my message did not go through.  It said something about spam filter, to type in the 7th word, and there weren&#8217;t any words there.  I will try again another time.</p>
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		<title>By: Di Heap - VibePlus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Di Heap - VibePlus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel, thanks for your comments. I am now over 6 months post injury and still have a way to go. The rotator cuff is good and strengthening is now the answer. The frozen shoulder is still a problem especially as, thinking I was stronger than I am, I did it some damage a little over a week ago and then could not lift that arm above my head again for 5 days.

You are right - I&#039;ve had a lot of experience of physio in past 4 years. I&#039;ve found it important to find a practitioner who also has experience in manual therapies (not always the norm here). My Physio has also contributed to my life by guiding and encouraging my process and learning in fitness studies, so along with huge help from Lloyd also I am now a registered Fitness Consultant and my specialty interest is Vibration Training and Therapy.

I am fortunate to not have anything to contribute to patellofemoral pain. I can do shin splints and compartment injury *laughs* and the stupidity of still taking part in a race - just because I wanted the &quot;buzz&quot; of running over our harbour bridge which is normally closed to pedestrians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel, thanks for your comments. I am now over 6 months post injury and still have a way to go. The rotator cuff is good and strengthening is now the answer. The frozen shoulder is still a problem especially as, thinking I was stronger than I am, I did it some damage a little over a week ago and then could not lift that arm above my head again for 5 days.</p>
<p>You are right &#8211; I&#8217;ve had a lot of experience of physio in past 4 years. I&#8217;ve found it important to find a practitioner who also has experience in manual therapies (not always the norm here). My Physio has also contributed to my life by guiding and encouraging my process and learning in fitness studies, so along with huge help from Lloyd also I am now a registered Fitness Consultant and my specialty interest is Vibration Training and Therapy.</p>
<p>I am fortunate to not have anything to contribute to patellofemoral pain. I can do shin splints and compartment injury *laughs* and the stupidity of still taking part in a race &#8211; just because I wanted the &#8220;buzz&#8221; of running over our harbour bridge which is normally closed to pedestrians.</p>
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