WBV Training Machine Review Categories
Our readers are constantly asking about this machine or that machine in our message boards so we will be starting a review section that explores the highlights and lowlights of the different platforms on the market. The review section will place various platforms into the following categories;
High Energy Lineal
This will mainly be found in commercial vibration training studios and gyms. These are expensive to build so private ownership unlikely but not impossible. Can give fast and ongoing results, but safety is always of high importance due to the energy involved.
Premium Speed Pivotal
These machines go all the way up to up to 27hz. This rating is required for everything from physio work at lower speeds up to a “premium” speed for proper workout, but are limited not to go much beyond that point for safety reasons. The construction that allows for premium speeds to be meet makes them semi-expensive, but not out of the range of an educated buyer looking for a quality purchase. Commercial units can be purchased for Gyms or Studios but do your homework. Important note: The above units are where the ” 10 mins=1hr gym workout” slogan came from.
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- Hypervibe
Medium Energy Lineal
Based on the Higher Energy platforms, but lighter and are usually made of plastic or tin so they give slower, less consistent results. This would make up a majority of Lineal units produced and range in size from no larger than your foot to 3 feet wide. Size may be no indication of quality and force so a test drive is essential. These tend to be the favorite “confusing ground” for marketers and lots of broken promises and machines are what’s left behind. These machines will work to a degree, but depending on the quality go from good to useless, especially if you think you have purchased something greater than it is. Do your homework, home use OK, but business use a big NO. Note: The vibration is meant to be Lineal, which means straight up and down, but some may actually wobble which they sometimes promote as “3D” . This just means low quality/uncontrolled.
Low Speed Pivotal
These make up about 98% of the Pivotal machines on the market and are almost always accompanied by fake specs which is a shame because they do have fantastic uses, but mainly in positive “therapy” benefits, just not weight loss and fitness which they are usually sold as to the unsuspecting public. These units seldom go over 12hz in tests but are sold at much higher speeds and values. Cheap to build with some very popular units being sold in China for as little as $80 and passed on as premium devices.
Low Energy / Low Amplitude Lineal
These units have no real amplitude and are basically stable platforms that can be used for everything from Osteoporosis treatment, weight lifting to Pilates/Yoga type movements. They will range in size from a bathroom scale to the size of a small bed. Usually low profile and almost silent due to small motors needed to drive such a device (smaller than a coke can). Some medical devices fit into this category so they may be more expensive due to controlled electronics, but usually are cheap to build.
Low Energy/High amplitude Lineal
These are often called “sonic” units” which just means they are driven by a speaker coil (no they do not create sound), but some are mechanical. They are often sold in a confusing manner to the public as a mixture of everything above, but in fact belong to their own group of “holistic” units. The speaker technology makes for heavy expensive machines, but do not confuse this for power. The mechanical versions are cheaper to build and are sometimes very large. Some machines due to their design can actually fit into more than one category, but now the basic functions are split up as any review process has a starting point.
Review categories and descriptions written by Lloyd Shaw
Kevin Yeaman…….
You are not welcome here, you are a con-artist and your greed almost destroyed Vibro-Gym in the U.S.
You did nothing of value for our industry and have only hurt it with your dishonest business practices. Just another dodgy salesmen . The reports I received of your activities were passed on to Vibro-Gym straight away, and they tossed you out. And didn’t Power Plate take you to court and kick your ass, for using their name ? Just like you did before on this site the other day to link their name to the company you now work for DKN.
You should have kept your head down, as I am now going to give you a headache.
Kevin yeaman….
Best you crawl back under the rock you came from, while you can still crawl….:(
I can Guarantee in the next few years you will not be one of the ones standing
Kevin
I don’t understand your comment the only nonsense and confusion I’m reading on this blog comes from likes of your comments. You are waffling and saying nothing other than making idle promises and yet trying to knock a site thats sets out to help and inform people. Why would you want to do that?
Kevin Yeaman.
I can’t believe you have the nerve to show yourself here! Blah, Blah, blah from you does not surprise me in the least. Kinda reminds me of listening to you, blah, blah, blah..
“When “I” launched”, like you did it yourself!! You heard it folks, Kevin Yeaman is personally responsible for launching WBV in North America. You must be so proud Kevin.. (whatever..) Wonder what those that were involved with you think of that statement.
What about all the people you hurt in the process of “YOU” launching and trashing WBV in North America?
What about the people who actually did support you then? I’m sure they all would have nothing but nice things to say about you now. Perhaps someday some would like to share..
Kevin seems to have quite the reputation!!
I have personally dealt with Kevin when he was with Vibrogym and it was not pretty and although I would love to say more let’s keep this simple.
Personally from a consumer/investor awareness point of view I recommend if you deal with him do so with very open eyes and ears!!
Doing business with Kevin Yeaman or whatever company he operates under, needs to be done with extra due diligence.
Known publicly, Kevin was terminated from Vibrogym should set off an alarm bell and is worth checking into. Just cause he is a distributor again does not mean he’s a good one! Just contact the new canadian distributor and ask yourself.
Ensure you legitimize distibutor status with anything he may want to sell you..
Kevin has proven to us that he is less than reputable or trust worthy.
We will not deal with anyone corporately or personally that deals with Kevin but in the end it’s upto the consumer/investor to make the decision, just be wary.
Kevin, I could’nt agree with Mikes statement anymore.
You don’t operate by any ethical standard prescribed here or elsewhere for that matter and you don’t care about anyone but yourself, so for you, whats the point of being here other than to try and get some free marketing? Seeing no comment in a few days makes this almost obvious.
About Kevin Yeaman….
He will be featured on the ” clean-up list” in the future as a BANNED TRADER. This will mean anyone dealing with him voluntarily will be blocked from all referrals and advertising on sites like this.
No amount of money or protest will change that status until he is fired or publically ousted from whatever position he holds and all business ties are cut.
How serious is this….?
Only 8 actual individuals in the whole world to date have made this list ( most are just dodgy companies listed ).
I am aware some people out there would not approve of the legal risks I take, but I research my facts carefully, so have no fear of court battles. I will never fear people like Kevin on any level.
A message to Kevin…
You are more than welcome to come on here and explain your past actions.
A message to Vicki Jones in response to her threat of legal action to “everybody” who commented on the situation with Hyper-Vibe in Australia not being allowed to display their product opposite fakes at an expo she oversees …..
(1) Opinions are allowed and so are names. As long as legal terms are not used we are protected, terms like “unethical” have no legal definition.
(2) We can and will produce engineering tests showing you are allowing vibration training products with fake specs to be sold at your shows. So we are fully protected in out statements. At any time you can give the readers a good explanation for this, but until then any reasonable person would consider financial reward the most likely motive. I invite you to correct this notion.
(3) If this threat is not retracted, and ethical trading is not resumed between all parties, and you do not do “everything” in your power to protect the consumer. Multiple posts on other sites will be made. If you doubt how dedicated some people are to getting these messages out, that will be your mistake. If you do misjudge the situation and that then negatively impacts on your brand, I am quite positive the owners of your brand will not be happy.
(4) Maybe doing some research on what happened to Power Plate would be a really good idea to see just how focused and effective we are. About 20 sites were hit very quickly and word spread fast what they had done. Even removing comments later has ZERO effect.
You have 24hrs to come onto this site, and state you understand how important consumer protection is.
Important point: Our cause is not commercial but we will work harder than any lawyer you hire if we feel our freedom of speech and ability to warn the consumer is being threatened. Doing the right thing here will win you friends, but we can equally be your enemies.
The future…..
If you choose to protect these dishonest marketers then articles will be written, and you will be named and shamed. It is what we do and it has been very, very effective to date on a number of companies, so this is not discriminatory action against you. We target “everybody” who threatens our industry and turning a blind eye is unacceptable.
It is a simple request….
Force them to advertise correct specs, allow competition in, and you have done your part for the consumer. This is not unreasonable.
Last quick question?
Would the VP5500 and the Proellixe be considered premium speed Pivotal machines? I definitely want a training machine not just therapy. Would the Gallieo machine be worth the difference in price-would it be that much better? Not sure if I can get the latter here in Canada as of yet.
Thanks again and looking forward to your response
Kim
VP5500 Yes
Proellixe who knows ? They are dodgy full stop.
Kim,
The VP5500 is not a premium speed pivotal. Whilst it looks like our own unit, it has not been modified. We own the rights to such modifications.
Hi Murray,
Thanks for the info….not sure what you mean by modified? I looked at your site and was interested in your machine but it appears you are in Australia? The Vibra Pro has a distribution centre here which means I could actually take a look at it, but I am seriously interested in knowing the difference between yours and there’s as your right they do look very similar I believe spec wise as well, but I’m certainly no expert. Also do you sell here?
The factory standard version of our machine runs at around 11-12Hz. There were a number of modifications I made with the manufacturer to change that, and ensure it could hold together at such force.
I am aware that this supplier spotted our unit whilst in the factory and requested something similar, however, without some key issues addressed, the unit will fall to bits.
With regards to their specs, they state
2.8 Hp
0-50Hz
Both are fake.
In Canada, we are discussing distribution with Dan Pelletier. I will email him now and tell him to follow up with you here.
Regards,
Murray
Hi Murray,
Thanks for the quick response. THAT is exactly where my concerns lie in terms of real specs vs what is advertised. I found an Italian site where they have actually measured numerous machines and the real ratings based on a number of factors including weight load. My concern about your comment above is the 11-12hz range which is not high enough to any real muscle stregthening, which from my limited knowledge seems to be at 16 hz and above for Pivitol, otherwise more a therapy device which is great but not all I’m after. I may have misunderstood your comment so please correct me if I’m wrong.
Before your response, I was led to a site called VibraFlex which is apparently the Galileo just different name in North America although I am leary that it is actually the same as apparently the original machine has been tested for accuracy and different hz ratings but I question why they would change the name here.
The Proellixe has definitely damaged my knees to some degree (my own fault) so I need and want to get something that will work the way all of the scientific research suggests they can.
How on earth is the general populace suppose to be able to see true test results on these machines??
Hi Kim,
The “base” Hypervibe model is limited in it’s hrz setting as described but the performance model has frequency range 6-28hrtz. It can challenge you on the fitness side.
Kim, if you are close we do have a performance model on hand to try. Where in Canada are you located!
Vibra Flex is a solid machine but is quite a bit more expensive.
Vibra Pro is just a copy of the american version of Vibradepot. Same equipment, all mainly (if not all) originating out of china. I had called them (vibradepot) in regards to a certain machine inquiring as to where it is manufactured and was straight out lied to. Be careful, on the listed pivotal machines they all have speeds 0-50hrtz some higher, true pivotal platforms such as gal, vibraflex do not go in excess of 30hrtz for a reason.
Specs on there models seem to match those of vibradepot. They are likely the base (before) modifications such as Murray has made and secured.
Proellix, hate spelling that one, common complaint we here is unreliable speed, seem to ramp up on there own for no reason which can be dangerous.
We are in Alberta. If we are close a chance to view and try is always beneficial.
You can email us directly at revibe@live.ca for more details.
Best Regards,
Hi Dan,
I’m in Vancouver, anyone here that has one? The reason I keep asking about the Vibra Pro is because they are actually IN Vancouver to look at but again, I am very happy to have the information. It would have been great if they were good because it would be convenient but do want a machine that does go to true 27hz even IF I won’t be able to utilize it for a while.
Suggestions welcome!
Kim,
So close yet so far..
I will have a couple of units in the area in the next few weeks. Currently there are none of Murrays Hypervibe machines other than mine that I am aware of. Having said that there could be one of the basic chinese originated units in a home or something similar but I am unable to locate any studio there using it.
A close friend of mine will help set up a small studio or demo centre where we will hold some inventory. My studio is here in Alberta.
Just a timing thing right now.
No harm in looking or trying the vibra pro but like you say you want a machine you can grow with then you will want to ensure the frequencies advertized are true and within safe zones ie. piv – 1-30 hrtz and not limited to 9-12hrtz. There have been enough discrepencies in similar units to warrant a closer look before you buy especially the speeds they advertize upto 56htz for pivotal is nuts.
I’ll let you know when I have one there.
My Regards,
Dan
Thanks Dan,
I’ll wait to hear from you. Done some searching myself and can’t seem to find much of anything here either, big city so somewhat surprising
Kim my husband and I have been interested in your postings since we are also in Canada and appear to be looking for a similar product. In fact, we were seriously considering the Vibra Pro 5500 until we did more research. We would really be interested in anything else you have found in Canada. It seems like the best two products sold in Canada are Wave and Hypergravity however they are very expensive and at least one is available in U.S. funds only. Can you share any more details with us.
Hi Paula,
Little confusing isn’t it. I think I’m leaning towards a pivitol/alternating vertical/oscillating. These are all terms that seem to be used to describe the same technology….I think. I seem to feel that the lineal would be better served if I actually had someone or some studio to train me on it, which would be great but non existent here. I am leaning towards the Vibraflex which is apparently the Galileo for the North American market of which the majority of studies were actually performed on as at least you can trust the specs on it. I don’t have a price on it and think it might be pretty scary so not sure yet. They do have a Canadian distributor which is also what I like. I found another site that appears to have some non-biased views and tests of machines, I believe both these sites do cross reference each other and are both here for sharing information. The site is http://www.vibrationtrainingdevice.com. He has reviews on Lineal as well as Pivitol and also lists his opinion on the strengths of both technologies.
I am very leary of not getting a machine that is accuratly outputting the proper settings as it appears that this could, in addition to not giving results, also be harmful.
I would love to hear what you decide and if you have found something else a bit more cost effective. Best of luck and you never know… they say 2 heads are better than one!
Kim right now I am so confused. In Canada we seem to have Hypergravity and the Wave. Both of which are very good but also high end.
Today we went into a very high end sports equipment shop and to our surprise here were two machines! One was Crazy Slim the other Zeno Pro TVR-4900. Both these units I believe are made in China, one for sure has been reviewed here . That is the Crazy Slim. Certainly would not buy that, the other one’s web site leaves a lot to be desired but I believe it is made in China. Certainly the sports shop did not really know much about them. He was waiting for a rep to come in and train them!
As much as I think these machines would be great, before buying I would like to see it and try it. This does not seem to be possible at the moment. Let me know what you find out. We will keep reading and perhaps soon something good and will appear in the Canadian market. One that we can purchase in Canadian funds and perhaps try out somewhere that we might travel.
You do not need to know much to understand the basics.
(1) Cheap Platic or Tin machines should be avoided.
(2) Light Vibration = Therapy
Heavy Vibration = Training
(3) Ask for proof the machine does not have fake specs if you think it does. Ask for conformation in writing from the store.
Do not let the sales speak, price or anything get in the way of those simple rules.
Hi Lloyd,
I think I understand the basics except, for your number (3) Asking for proof of legitimate specs and confirmation in writing may be good if I was planning legal action but I simply want a machine without getting shafted without paying a fortune and being able to see and try what I am getting. I am also not sure that some people would just tell you what you want to hear even writing it down .The higher the price the more critical. The need to see the product that we want to purchase and that doesn’t even address repairs if necessary. In Canada (probably like other countries) we have models that look like others but which one is legitimate, reputable retailers selling what many say is garbage and on and on it goes. I don’t think I have ever seen a product that has so many built in potential pitfalls.
That bit of advice was only mentioned because most salespeople, at a reputable store, will hesitate when asked this.
As it clears up any “confusion” excuse they are taught to use and most will just say they can not give you a written guarantee. Remember no matter where in the world you are, if it does not ” do what it says on the box” they can get fined. It may be a hollow threat if you are not willing to go that far, but at least it gives you a chance to assess their attitude.
Thanks . I understand what you are saying and that is the truth for sure.
We do appreciate all the information on your web site and that the fact that you keep us informed.
Paula:
Regarding your comment, “the greater the price, the more critical”. Would you feel the same way when looking at automobiles? Is a Hyundai the same as a Lexus? As Lloyd has stated several times, engineering and proper materials cost $$!! Vibration platforms are no different than any product. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
If you follow Lloyd’s rules when looking at a device you likely not go too far off course.
Lloyd,I have been trying to categorize the various models available in Canada that have created our interest based on your web site categories and what my wife and I are interested in for home use. I am not looking for your recommendations just that I have them slotted properly. Could you advise please as this will help leading us towards a decision.
High Energy Lineal: 1.Hypergravity (all models)2.Wave (all models) 3.Vibrogym Professional,Evolution and Medical.
Premium Speed Pivotal: 1.Hypervibe Performance 2.Vibraflex (Gaileo) all models
Unsure where these models are slotted: 1.Zen Pro & iShare http://www.magtonic.com/product.asp?ID=4 2. Power Plate (apparently Vibrogym is former Power Plate but Power Plate is still in business)3. Vibrogym home unit and 4. Hypervibe base model.
I have found your categories and explanations very helpful.
Zen Pro… Medium Energy Lineal
Power Plate …Medium Energy Lineal
Vibro-Gym Home… Medium Energy Lineal
HyperVibe Rejuvenate…. Low Speed Pivotal
Gordon- You can add Nitrofit Deluxe to that list of Premium Pivotals. Although we are a US company, we will ship to Canada.
Lloyd,
I want to start a vibration training program at home to lose weight for a wedding but I am expecting to move in 3 months time and don’t like the idea of moving a 100lb machine. If I don’t expect to use this DZT model for more than 2 years, and expect no one heavier than 160lbs to use this, do you think the DZT will serve my purpose?
For these cheaper models, is it safe to use them for 20 or 30 minutes instead of the advertised 10 to achieve advertised results as I’m assuming the 10 minute buzz phrase is referring to the superior movement transfer and frequency of the high end machines which the DZT may or may not be able to deliver.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer my questions.
Kimera
Kimera…
That machine is not a Vibration Training anything and it will do little more than warm you up, no matter how much you use it. As per its review in the “reviews” section on this site.
The price ? It is a $25 machine from China.
Thanks Lloyd,
You just saved me a load of frustration. I’m based in Alberta and want to spend $1500-2000 Canadian on a vibration training machine aimed at weight loss. If the machine is capable of gentler therapy settings as well, even better but not a priority. The machine is for home use and I am wary of getting a machine so large and bulky, I have to leave it behind when I move.
I tried following the ad links on this website for possible matches. The VibraTrim VT200 on http://www.vibra-trim.net and Farfalla on http://www.SlimVibes.com looked promising. Are these people pulling my leg as well?
Kimera
Kimera,
We have a studio in Alberta, Didsbury which is between Calgary and Red Deer, about 75k’s either way.
We operate Vibrogym Professionals and as of recent have a Hypervibe Performance that you can try. Will let you compare anything you may have tried so far. As well we can help you in proper utilization. I can say you will be amazed if you’ve tried any other pivotal equipment.
The sights mentioned as well equipment are highly suspect. The first looks just like the Crazy Fit, the second is a site we have found to be lacking in real ethics.
Our regards,
Kimera….
What the machines are called ( that week ) or what the adverts say is NOT important. The review section and the articles on this site telling YOU how to pick a machine is all that counts. Education is protection.
eg..
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/01/vibration-training-vs-vibration-therapy
One of about 5 articles you needed to read so you do not get ripped off.
So far you have only named Therapy machines which are light and cheap to build, but you keep stating you want a Training machine. That makes it hard for us to help.
Lloyd, I am in the market to get a WBV, I saw one that is a side to side WBV from CrazyFit Massage. Is that a good unit? I’d like it for fat loss, bone density and cellulite.. and am now confused which is a good unit to get, and I don’t have much to spend on it.
Is there a gym in CA that has these if I can’t one for home use? Let me know please as I am searching the net. Am in Los Angeles area.
thanks!
Iana, Are you joking?
You are welcome to ask questions but please make the effort to read some of the articles first. Even if you type crazyfit into the search box you will find all the answers you need.
Copied from the article above that you have asked this question on:
“Low Speed Pivotal”
“These make up about 98% of the Pivotal machines on the market and are almost always accompanied by fake specs which is a shame because they do have fantastic uses, but mainly in positive therapy benefits, just NOT weight loss and fitness which they are usually sold as to the unsuspecting public. These units seldom go over 12hz in tests but are sold at much higher speeds and values. Cheap to build with some very popular units being sold in China for as little as $80 and passed on as premium devices.”
So now you decide – Is this machine going to give you fat-loss?? reduce cellulite??
Also please read the very latest article – on the main page of this website.
It’s called: the-price-you-pay-crazy-fit-massage
I am a relatively fit 30 year old male and I am interested in purchasing a vertical wbv device to replace at least part of my weight training routine due to elbow pain. I have narrowed down my options to the DKN XG10 or the Hypergravity 360 and I was wondering which machine was better for strength training? Any information you could provide would be appreciated. Thank You
The DKN is generally considered a therapy platform (medium energy lineal) and operates at a lower amplitude. The HG 360 (high energy lineal) operates at a larger amplitude and is categorized as a training platform. Both are capable of improving muscle strength, but if “bulking up” is what you are looking to accomplish, the 360 would be a better choice. The extent of your elbow issue may also be something that needs to be considered before training though so look to use the platform for therapeutic purposes as well. Either one can be successful with regards to improving blood flow, flexibility and general soft tissue mobility. Both are manufactured well and comprised of steel.
I am looking at purchasing a http://www.vibrostation.co.uk/ – I have trawled through the site and understand the difference between linear and pivotal etc … this machine would be for home use (both hubbie and I have aches and pains, I have bad hips). This machine is cheap compared to other models, which is attractive (I have read the articles about getting what you pay for
)
Does anyone have one or can comment on the build quality?
cheers,
krista