Our readers are constantly asking about this machine or that machine in our message boards so we will be starting a review section that explores the highlights and lowlights of the different platforms on the market. The review section will place various platforms into the following categories;
High Energy Lineal
This will mainly be found in commercial vibration training studios and gyms. These are expensive to build so private ownership unlikely but not impossible. Can give fast and ongoing results, but safety is always of high importance due to the energy involved.
Premium Speed Pivotal
These machines go all the way up to up to 27hz. This rating is required for everything from physio work at lower speeds up to a “premium” speed for proper workout, but are limited not to go much beyond that point for safety reasons. The construction that allows for premium speeds to be meet makes them semi-expensive, but not out of the range of an educated buyer looking for a quality purchase. Commercial units can be purchased for Gyms or Studios but do your homework. Important note: The above units are where the ” 10 mins=1hr gym workout” slogan came from.
Medium Energy Lineal
Based on the Higher Energy platforms, but lighter and are usually made of plastic or tin so they give slower, less consistent results. This would make up a majority of Lineal units produced and range in size from no larger than your foot to 3 feet wide. Size may be no indication of quality and force so a test drive is essential. These tend to be the favorite “confusing ground” for marketers and lots of broken promises and machines are what’s left behind. These machines will work to a degree, but depending on the quality go from good to useless, especially if you think you have purchased something greater than it is. Do your homework, home use OK, but business use a big NO. Note: The vibration is meant to be Lineal, which means straight up and down, but some may actually wobble which they sometimes promote as “3D” . This just means low quality/uncontrolled.
Low Speed Pivotal
These make up about 98% of the Pivotal machines on the market and are almost always accompanied by fake specs which is a shame because they do have fantastic uses, but mainly in positive “therapy” benefits, just not weight loss and fitness which they are usually sold as to the unsuspecting public. These units seldom go over 12hz in tests but are sold at much higher speeds and values. Cheap to build with some very popular units being sold in China for as little as $80 and passed on as premium devices.
Low Energy / Low Amplitude Lineal
These units have no real amplitude and are basically stable platforms that can be used for everything from Osteoporosis treatment, weight lifting to Pilates/Yoga type movements. They will range in size from a bathroom scale to the size of a small bed. Usually low profile and almost silent due to small motors needed to drive such a device (smaller than a coke can). Some medical devices fit into this category so they may be more expensive due to controlled electronics, but usually are cheap to build.
Low Energy/High amplitude Lineal
These are often called “sonic” units” which just means they are driven by a speaker coil (no they do not create sound), but some are mechanical. They are often sold in a confusing manner to the public as a mixture of everything above, but in fact belong to their own group of “holistic” units. The speaker technology makes for heavy expensive machines, but do not confuse this for power. The mechanical versions are cheaper to build and are sometimes very large. Some machines due to their design can actually fit into more than one category, but now the basic functions are split up as any review process has a starting point.
Review categories and descriptions written by Lloyd Shaw
{ 91 comments… read them below or add one }
Of course not all companies will like having their units classified, but only the dodgy ones. I have already spoken to a few selling in both the cheaper and more expensive category and they are fine with it.
Every market has a high and low end, our just needs to be defined.
Everyone in the industry for the long term fully understand the need for this to happen, so consumer confidence can be gained, this will ONLY happen when people get what they expect from a product.
This should clear up a lot of confusion for consumers (provided the advertised specs are accuarate) clearly defined categories. Looking forward to the new features.
A chart comparing equipment within a category would be nice….
Thanks for all the help. Great site.
Dear Lloyd,
Thanks for that. Having re-read the info (the ME has shot my cognitive function!) my natural preference by far would be a Premium Speed Pivotal but as size & cost factor in my decision I’d reluctantly go for a “good” Medium Energy Lineal. How does that sound?
Regulars , revisit this topic please….
I think of all the consumer guides to date this is the most common sense and easily understood one yet. Use as a link straight to this page as often as possible to every other site you comment on.
Lloyd,
Great work! Really. I think it would help if the pictures were labeled with their corresponding brand names.
That has been done deliberately , because allot of the units are sold under many names that change all the time and that’s not including new units. At about 300 machines available at present it would be impossible to keep up. And then you would get people say….
” I brought this and it wasn’t on the list ”
As an excuse for buying something obviously not suited to their wants and needs. No I want people to use their brain and classify the “type” of machine they are considering buying themselves. That gets around dodgy companies BS marketing.
Education = Protection
A list of names will always be inferior to understanding the topic.
A proper full on review will be released in the future with brand names. This is all part of that process.
I received news today that one of our competitors Exception Enterprizes, who sell a low speed pivotal unit, Health Station, sent a staff member over to our stand at the Melbourne HIA home show posing as an interested buyer.
This is now a familiar story for me, as the same was done to me personally last year in Brisbane by yet another low speed pivotal supplier, Amazing Super Health.
Both these companies have such poor knowledge about the product they sell, they need to gather our information, take it away, then spin it against us spewing lies and false specs to the public who don’t know any better. Sales at any cost, makes me sick.
I have instructed our Melbourne team to drive traffic to this site, and I will be doing the same this weekend in Sydney.
Hi,
We have a 4 yr old daughter that has cerebral palsy and spastic quadriplegia due to a serious complication that occurs in 15% of identical twin pregnancies. She often has high muscle tone (hard to move her limbs, almost like they are in cramp) She is largely blind and cannot communicate etc. We are trying to minimise heavy medication. She has had a few short goes on a DKN Pro Trainer type machine, and my wife and myself have also tried it briefly.
Is this machine likely to have beneficial effects on our daughter? She is quite healthy otherwise. If there was a reasonable chance of significantly helping her either temporarily or permanently we would purchase one. As we need to watch the $ we want to get the best bang for our buck – so to speak.
It would also be good if we could use it ourselves…we need to carry our daughter most of the day and a fair bit of the night. Something that is going to relax and ease back strain and joint pain etc would help us cope.
We live in Australia.
Any constructive suggestions or comments would be welcome.
Thanks,
Ron.
That’s beyond my level of expertise to comment on. I understand you are willing to give anything with hope a try. I would talk to medical people/researchers about it and see if they can offer any advice. Dr. Patrick Jacobs in the U.S. worked with the Miami Project to Cure Paralysis and is currently department head at Florida Atlantic U. Jacobs has done work with vibration. I would recommend contacting somebody like him or ask him for referrals to speak to a neurophysiologist etc.
I’ve been interested in buying one of these for ages now, but the more I investigate, the more confused I get!
I read the above article & thought that it would make it all easier – but having decided to aim for a ‘Premium Speed Pivotal’ I thought this would be the easiest as I could review each machine by hz. I looked at vibrogym & the first I looked at was the VibrGym Domestic, which has 30-35-40-50Hz. Does this mean that this machine is very good?!
Power Plate my3 has 35hz – again will I get good results from this?!
I have read a number of articles on here but can’t remember whether 100% vertical motion is the best – I will review again….but what are your thoughts?!
Any advice is greatly received!!!
Thanks in advance
Sarah
Hi Sarah
What do you want to use Vibration Training for and where abouts are you based?
Ron,
I have just begun working with an 17 year old with a diagnosis of CP – spastic diplegia (lower extremities). Subjectively, he reports feeling quite a bit better after the sessions and his movement more fluid. I have recorded improvements on basic functional tests and his hamstring length has improved. The research is in a relatively primitive stage when it comes to WBV and neurological disease. Since the mechanisms of WBV work via the nervous system, I think it could go in any direction and may even, like most of what I have seen so far, be individualized to the client/patient.
John’s advice is well given. Probably best to reach out to some more experienced researchers before spending $$$ on a quality platform.
I believe this vendor, one of the ones listed on this site promoting high standards in the industry, has a very moderately priced unit.
http://www.myvibraslim.com/
Also, this company has been recommended to me by a physician I work with.
http://www.bodyvibeusa.com/body_vibe_store.aspx
I’m looking for a home unit for general health.
Thanks for any feedback.
Ron….
Any light vibration unit will suit your daughter, as the vibration/tension/release phase of even a smaller plate will relax her muscles.
If you want a workout machine for yourself be prepared to pay more. The unit you mention is still pretty light for training purposes.
I have had multiple dealings with spasticity and here are my observations. At first the added stimulation can cause an increase in spasms for hrs after the first session, but the body seems to process this information quickly and it will relax after the second session.
Even a gentle vibration ( higher fq very low amplitude) lying face down on the machine with a foam mat, so the massage is directly on the stomach and chest area will be relaxing and help.
Sarah…
The articles combined together should stop confusion not create it. They tell you what to realistically expect from each category and how to avoid the marketing hype. We can help clarify points if needed.
But you have confused me…
You said you finalized on Premium Speed Pivotal then mentioned Lineal units like Vibro-Gym and Power Plate ? ( Vibro-Gym is the better unit )
We also need more info like where you live, how much you have to spend etc…
I am a retailer for DKN; Power Plate and The Wave. I find your information misleading. For instance in the
Medium Energy Lineal you show a picture of a Power Plate and state that these machines are usually lighter and made of plastic or tin. The PP is fiberglass and the My5 home unit weighs 200 lbs. I’m also not sure that the claim between linear and tri planular is proven as to what is best. Any qualified manufacturer should be provide qualified studies performed with THEIR product. I also have difficulty with Review sites that claim they are unbiased but have advertisers on their sites. Thank you.
Johanne, it said USUALLY made of plastic or tin. Besides, fiberglass is a composite. Another name for fiberglass is GRP: Glass Reinforced PLASTIC. I really don’t think the description was very misleading.
As far as 3D/Tri-planar vs Lineal energy, and which is best, I’d like to share a few thoughts.
1. On this site, most of us dont get too wrapped up in “best” wars. It’s better to ask “Best for what purpose?”. If one platform or vibration type was “best”, or if this review site was biased, we probably wouldn’t be promoting Lineal AND Pivotal machines. (When I say we, I mean forum folk who advocate vibration as a training tool, and not as a means of fattening ones wallet)
2. Platforms, are only as effective as their ability to deliver vibrational energy to the client. A lineal platform delivers more of it’s energy directly to the individual. TRUE lineal movement is pretty unlikely (that’s just physics), so now we’ve got the energy going straight up, directly into the client, and some energy that leaks into the other planes.
3D machines tend to fall in the Medium Energy Category. So now we have less energy, with a much greater spread across three planes (as opposed to the lineal with the majority of its energy in one). Or, we have an equally powerful machine, but it will still fall to the Medium Energy category, because the energy is getting spread out. Is this a good thing? Maybe…. but we probably won’t know for sure anytime soon because of my next thought.
3. UNCONTROLLED. If Power Plate, or any 3D platform manufacturer really knew what was going on with the machines… if they really thought 3D was a good thing, why not release the specs? What is the deviation, the amplitude of the side to side movement? The front to back movement? Why not make it adjustable? I’d probably get a different effect from running X=2mm Y=2mm Z=5mm than I would get running X=2mm Y=5mm Z=2mm. The likely reason? They don’t know. What they do know, is the damn thing is shaking all over the place. Power Plate says “tri-planar, mostly verticle”. I read that as “We wanted vertical, but we settled for this. We know it’s moving in 3 planes, but we don’t know how much in each. Because of this we will give you High and Low settings in place of controlled numbers that other companies demand (or at least strive for)”.
Just something to think about.
If you do feel that consumers are being mislead about Power Plate, the forum is open. If there are legitimate reasons to do so, maybe we can get the article modified to include PP in the High Energy category… but I don’t think there are.
Johanne…..
Firstly get one thing straight. This site is independently owned by people who have nothing to do with our industry. That is deliberate. So we can never be accused of doing the kind of unethical things Power Plate and their like would do with such a powerful site.
The readers write and submit articles and companies can apply to the owners to get banners up. Simple.
3D / Tri-Planar etc……..
Power Plate did initially tell me as their Product Manager the new design was going to be Lineal, better than the previous steel design ( now Vibro-Gym ). But when the first shipment arrived it obviously wasn’t to the naked eye. So they told me to tell people it was meant to be like that.
The fact is anyone can come up with a “spin” for when something goes wrong. You must be aware of that.
Weight….
A majority of the weight in the Power Plate is in the base, this is to stop it tipping. It does not add to the performance of the machine .
High Energy/ Low Energy…
Have you tried both ? Because even a layperson can qualify they are different.
You question this site and the ethics of the community ? Maybe you should look into Power Plate and see what they find acceptable. Then get back to us.
And last but not least…
Why are so many people who are in competition with each other openly conversing about the science behind what we do, both positives and negatives. But Power Plate will not come on here and even answer the simplest questions.
Note: I will write an article today on Lineal vibration. That may educate you a bit as to what we are aiming for and why.
A Question – I’m looking into buying a machine (for the household/family) so it will have to be in operation more than just a couple of times a week, plus there is a weight minimum (350-400 pounds) that it must be able to handle, many of the units don’t look as if they could handle anything close to that. The unit would be used for flexability, strength and hopefully a little weight loss training. I’ve looked at many of the sites and am totally lost. Help!
Irene
Your country already has a company making equipment like that. Click on the Wave advert at the top of this page.
Remember the kind of equipment you are looking for is a life long piece of equipment, good to remember when looking at prices.
Sal alert…….
http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/more-evidence-to-indicate-whole-body/
He has written another piece basically pointing out our concerns over crappy machines being used in studies (as above) is coming true, or academics using one machine expecting to do it all.
Go online and..
(a) Ask him if he was contacted by me directly some years ago with these exact concerns. He will probably refuse to answer but at least it gets asked.
(b) Tell him on no uncertain terms all machines are not equal, and we do not condone machines being pushed as a one stop shop for everything.
(c) Tell him of your own experiences of different units. And that he can only blame himself for having zero experience.
I will state here and now.
Sal asked for evidence and I sent him an entire envelope of everything I had at the time , including failed engineering tests from Power Plate and court documents to back up my concerns.
This is a copy of his request, someone post it as proof he is hiding this rather large chunk of the story…
From: Salmarinello@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:05 AM
To: lloyd@vibra-train.co.nz
Subject: Re: (no subject)
thanks much lloyd.
you can send the report to me at the following
millburn-short hills athletic club
12 holmes street
millburn, nj 07041
usa
thanks again.
sal
And this is a thankyou reply I got from Sal after he opened some of the evidence by e-mail.
From: Salmarinello@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:07 AM
To: lloyd@vibra-train.co.nz
Subject: Re: (no subject)
much appreciated…i will read this as soon as i get some time…hopefully tonight!
thanks.
sal
I am willing to forward these email to anybody who asks.
Just as expected, Sal has hidden behind his cohorts and they delete all questions from anyone that might expose the readers to the truth.
Just like the last time Sal got caught being less than honest he is too much of a coward to front up.
But they will not win, I will work until the truth is known.
And a quick thanks to all those who “did not” go on and help us take on Sal and his mates.
It really doesnt help when only a few of us bother to put in the effort.
Hi, I own a small wellness centre. Small I mean that at this stage I do everything myself from taking classes, to working 1-on-1′s to the business side. The only time clients can work out here is if they attend a class or if they have a 1-on-1 session with me, unlike a busy gym with many people entering at one time. With this in mind, I’m looking at adding an extra service of vibration training, mostly for weight loss but could be for rehab as well. Do you think I need a full commercial machine, professional or a home personal machine? I’ve come across the solid steel commercial units that are manufactured and sold out of China. Are these machines worth it? I know what you say about quality lasting a very long time vs replacing a machine every 2-3 hrs, but I honestly don’t have that kind of money to spend USD10 000 on a machine. In my country that would cost me about R100 000.00
Thank you
You really need to give us the actual name of the machine you mention before we can discuss its worth in that situation.
Note: Just because it says commercial on the advertising does not mean it is.
hey great site, its been great help.
as the article say most of the cheap pivotals fake the specs, so how an average joe like myself can measure the actual hz in a pivotal machine?
For Pivotal units the difference between Low Speed and Premium Speed will be distinguishable to anybody.
So find both somewhere and compare. DO NOT BELIEVE THE SALESPERSON on which is which.
Testing….. So far no retailer has allowed the machines to be tested on the shop floor. So even if you have a measuring device the only way you will get to test it is to buy one, then good luck getting your money back. They will use every excuse in the book not to acknowledge your results or what they mean. The best one I have heard lately is “show me a study to prove a slower machine does not give the same results as a faster model ”
But you do not need to, if it does not do what it says on the box, you can ask for a refund. That is the law.
I do not approve of my website being linked as in the above post. That’s advertising and I doubt very much it was put up by the company named.
Thx for you response Lloyd, but what i had in mind when asking about measuring the hz, was about the training itself, since most of the articles and coments in this fine blog, indicate diferent hz for diferent porpouses (for example, low hz for massage, etc..) i was interested in how to translate those hz into lets say a (cheap) pivotal machine with 20 or so levels of speed
Lloyd,
On the Low Energy, Low Amplitude Lineal, I would include the Vibeplate which is nothing but an oversized soloflex. I mention this Lloyd, because they are doing aggressive online advertising and people deserve to know the truth on this machine.
You are to right to say these machines have no real amplitude, only a half sine wave with minimal vibration in the center and zero amplitude on the edges.
Bryant
hi lloyd,
can you tell me where i can buy this machine, i am a keen power plate user and have started a vibration plate comparison micro site, non of my merchants feature this machine that appears to be popular but somewhat rare.
thank you
phil
Phil, You didn’t say which machine you want to buy.
If you’re wanting a Vibra-Train machine, you can’t buy one, they’re in studios only.
Phil…..
Which machine are you refering to ?????
Bryant….
Yes they will be listed and we will be attacking them hard out. But in the mean time I think the explaination on the review is pretty clear. Remember with new models being released all the time, we can not have a photo of every unit on such a small article.
If people do not want to be educated or use even common sense, they cant be helped by anything we do.
I’m looking at a 4 year old VG unit. The tag says it is a Model “B”. It was used ocassionaly by a P.T.
Any comments about home use and is this a good unit. What is a fair price
Thanks
Very good machine, same factory as the original Power Plate. It should still go for about 5K (N.Z.)
They are like hens teeth overseas.
Hi Lloyd, thanks for the link and the your advice about the site is fully understood
Have you had any experience with a pivotal machine from Germany/Switzerland called sportboard 3000.They claim it is a pivotal machine with some kind of side to side action ‘designed’ into the wave pattern.The main reason i ask is they offer a 5 year guarantee which seems to be a good deal.I have been lucky enough to try both the maxuvibe mx7 and galileo sport, which i found both to be excellant with the galileo being the smoothest to get to full power.All help greatly appreciated.
The Sportsboard 3000 is a standard Pivotal unit with an unstable Pivot point, rather than a set pivot point of steel they have gone for rubber mount which allows for the “figure 8″ to be produced .
They started out with this model type, but I suspect production would have been too costly and the market too limited.
http://www.bauer-sondermaschinen.com/de/sport/fitwip/fitwip.php
One of their units has a cable and pully system to give a better arm workout than the standard straps you get on machines. Great to see someone out there is thinking.
I do not like someone deliberatly creating shearing angles into a vibration. But at very slow speeds I can see it great for certain types of rehab.
Hi Lloyd, just to clarify the sportboard 3000 is also known as the qionic board(www.qionic.de) as the link you kindly supplied goes to a different site and different machine.Also i think i once saw a link on this site to german company that manufactured a machine that was both lineal and pivotal.As always any info greatly appreciated.I have been lucky enough to purchase a Bodyshaker junior at a good price and am delighted in the results i am seeing but would also like a pivotal machine as i think both machines give quite different results.
Dear Lloyd. I would appreciate advise on buying a good pivotel machine that is from a reputable company. i have looked at all the machines and they all say the same jargin against each other. I also went on the site of Vibration Professor and he has a chart of what he rates best. I respect your opinion. Janice.
The answer depends on how much you have to spend and where you live.
Janice – any ‘Vibration Professor’ who is ranking a Powerplate above a Vibrogym – I’ve just looked is not worth listening to. The comparison chart he gives is laughable.
I’m new to this concept of vibrating training, and have been reading this website on how to buy one of these machines. I have to admit I understand “you get what you pay for” concept, but my question is basically this. What price range do you have to pay for a high or premium energy speed unit?? Also what are the names of such units?? I live in a very rural area, so there are no machines like this anywhere around where I live so I could try one of these before purchasing. My girlfriend when to an expo in Orlando ( she is in the beauty industry) and saw one there and was sold on the idea. They were around $1000 and the name was “Healiohealth”. She is going to purchase one. Since I’ve been reading this and other websites, there definately are differences in quality and mainly RESULTS with various machines. If money was no object what unit would I buy?? Also since money is always a factor, I would be more inclined to purchase one for substancially more money than she could afford, but at the same time don’t want to be ripped off. When reading all the blogs and info I have in this site, I still don’t know what are good machines??? the hypergravity or the wave or what. Since vibra train cannot be puchased for home use what’s the next best thing or what will deliver results wanted??? I’m not an obese person wanting a quick or easy weight loss gimic. I’m a 47 yr old female who runs 30+ minutes a day on the treadmill as well as other activities and I can’t seem to get rid of some “back fat” and cellulite in a few spots. Since I’ve gotten older I can’t even seem to lose the 10 lbs. I would like to lose. I can’t seem to get rid of it like I would have been able to a few years ago with all the workouts I do. I think since I’m going through memopause it might has something to do with it. I don’t drink sodas or eat junk food and eat pretty good, so its got to be hormones or something. I even considered a cellulite treatment called vellasmooth which is ridiculously expensive ($4200) and was ready to do until I read about all the reviews on the internet and 99% of the people who had done it said it didn’t work. So I would rather invest in something like this. I would be willing to spend probably more that the average person if I knew I was getting a quality machine. Could you advise??? I live in Florida between the Ocala and Gainesville area. Are there any in this area? Also what can you tell me about the Heliohealth machine my friend is going to buy. I have a feeling its probably not a quality of a machine I would want. But what is your opinion? I want names of machines that will deliver the results you would get at a spa where the vibra-train would be..or at any gym or health resort would have.. thanks for any information you can give…
Pam
what is your take on the vibra-slim machine?
Pamela…
You mean this machine here…
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/warning-to-home-users-heres-how-you-are-getting-cheated
And the 224 comments explaining how bad they are ? My guess is we don’t recommend them ( unless its for light Therapy only ) . It is NOT Vibration Training.
Healiohealth only sell cheap Chinese machines, none of them are training units. So as long as your friend understands that. Check out the review section up top to compare products. A good visual guide and it means you do not need to know the actual name of the machine ( which could change week to week ) to protect yourself.
The 2 best units Stateside are Wave and HyperGravity for Lineal, and VibraFlex and NitroFit Deluxe.
It is amazing how the promotion, education and mis-information has come so far from when the first group of plates entered the North American market.
Some seven years ago when I launched whole body vibration in North America there was no such term, terms that are confusing to the consumer. Stories and descriptions of how vibration works, burns fat, etc etc, 3 dimensional, tri planer, Lineal, Pivotol blah blah blah.
I have found your blog most interesting.
VibroGym, which of course who’s inventor Marcel Taminga, (ORIGIONAL POWER PLATE) was the educator and myself who launched N America. Marcels OLD partner Dutch, Von blah blah blah who are running with Power Plate from several law suits world wide plus others have started knock offs of the ORIGIONAL PLATE. The nice thing about this is, its separating the Game Players, Manufactures and SALES PEOPLE from what the client most needs is “Solid Credible Information” to make an informed decision.
The nonsense of much of your blog has reached a new level of education. “Confusion” which may work for you right now, however over the next few years the people standing will have educated from a very different path.
Primary education thats backed up with how the body works and why people are losing lbs is just a starter. Pay close attention to your Blog, there is some great information to come.
Kevin Yeaman…….
You are not welcome here, you are a con-artist and your greed almost destroyed Vibro-Gym in the U.S.
You did nothing of value for our industry and have only hurt it with your dishonest business practices. Just another dodgy salesmen . The reports I received of your activities were passed on to Vibro-Gym straight away, and they tossed you out. And didn’t Power Plate take you to court and kick your ass, for using their name ? Just like you did before on this site the other day to link their name to the company you now work for DKN.
You should have kept your head down, as I am now going to give you a headache.
Kevin yeaman….
Best you crawl back under the rock you came from, while you can still crawl….:(
I can Guarantee in the next few years you will not be one of the ones standing
Kevin
I don’t understand your comment the only nonsense and confusion I’m reading on this blog comes from likes of your comments. You are waffling and saying nothing other than making idle promises and yet trying to knock a site thats sets out to help and inform people. Why would you want to do that?
Kevin Yeaman.
I can’t believe you have the nerve to show yourself here! Blah, Blah, blah from you does not surprise me in the least. Kinda reminds me of listening to you, blah, blah, blah..
“When “I” launched”, like you did it yourself!! You heard it folks, Kevin Yeaman is personally responsible for launching WBV in North America. You must be so proud Kevin.. (whatever..) Wonder what those that were involved with you think of that statement.
What about all the people you hurt in the process of “YOU” launching and trashing WBV in North America?
What about the people who actually did support you then? I’m sure they all would have nothing but nice things to say about you now. Perhaps someday some would like to share..
Kevin seems to have quite the reputation!!
I have personally dealt with Kevin when he was with Vibrogym and it was not pretty and although I would love to say more let’s keep this simple.
Personally from a consumer/investor awareness point of view I recommend if you deal with him do so with very open eyes and ears!!
Doing business with Kevin Yeaman or whatever company he operates under, needs to be done with extra due diligence.
Known publicly, Kevin was terminated from Vibrogym should set off an alarm bell and is worth checking into. Just cause he is a distributor again does not mean he’s a good one! Just contact the new canadian distributor and ask yourself.
Ensure you legitimize distibutor status with anything he may want to sell you..
Kevin has proven to us that he is less than reputable or trust worthy.
We will not deal with anyone corporately or personally that deals with Kevin but in the end it’s upto the consumer/investor to make the decision, just be wary.
Kevin, I could’nt agree with Mikes statement anymore.
You don’t operate by any ethical standard prescribed here or elsewhere for that matter and you don’t care about anyone but yourself, so for you, whats the point of being here other than to try and get some free marketing? Seeing no comment in a few days makes this almost obvious.
About Kevin Yeaman….
He will be featured on the ” clean-up list” in the future as a BANNED TRADER. This will mean anyone dealing with him voluntarily will be blocked from all referrals and advertising on sites like this.
No amount of money or protest will change that status until he is fired or publically ousted from whatever position he holds and all business ties are cut.
How serious is this….?
Only 8 actual individuals in the whole world to date have made this list ( most are just dodgy companies listed ).
I am aware some people out there would not approve of the legal risks I take, but I research my facts carefully, so have no fear of court battles. I will never fear people like Kevin on any level.
A message to Kevin…
You are more than welcome to come on here and explain your past actions.
A message to Vicki Jones in response to her threat of legal action to “everybody” who commented on the situation with Hyper-Vibe in Australia not being allowed to display their product opposite fakes at an expo she oversees …..
(1) Opinions are allowed and so are names. As long as legal terms are not used we are protected, terms like “unethical” have no legal definition.
(2) We can and will produce engineering tests showing you are allowing vibration training products with fake specs to be sold at your shows. So we are fully protected in out statements. At any time you can give the readers a good explanation for this, but until then any reasonable person would consider financial reward the most likely motive. I invite you to correct this notion.
(3) If this threat is not retracted, and ethical trading is not resumed between all parties, and you do not do “everything” in your power to protect the consumer. Multiple posts on other sites will be made. If you doubt how dedicated some people are to getting these messages out, that will be your mistake. If you do misjudge the situation and that then negatively impacts on your brand, I am quite positive the owners of your brand will not be happy.
(4) Maybe doing some research on what happened to Power Plate would be a really good idea to see just how focused and effective we are. About 20 sites were hit very quickly and word spread fast what they had done. Even removing comments later has ZERO effect.
You have 24hrs to come onto this site, and state you understand how important consumer protection is.
Important point: Our cause is not commercial but we will work harder than any lawyer you hire if we feel our freedom of speech and ability to warn the consumer is being threatened. Doing the right thing here will win you friends, but we can equally be your enemies.
The future…..
If you choose to protect these dishonest marketers then articles will be written, and you will be named and shamed. It is what we do and it has been very, very effective to date on a number of companies, so this is not discriminatory action against you. We target “everybody” who threatens our industry and turning a blind eye is unacceptable.
It is a simple request….
Force them to advertise correct specs, allow competition in, and you have done your part for the consumer. This is not unreasonable.
Last quick question?
Would the VP5500 and the Proellixe be considered premium speed Pivotal machines? I definitely want a training machine not just therapy. Would the Gallieo machine be worth the difference in price-would it be that much better? Not sure if I can get the latter here in Canada as of yet.
Thanks again and looking forward to your response
Kim
VP5500 Yes
Proellixe who knows ? They are dodgy full stop.
Kim,
The VP5500 is not a premium speed pivotal. Whilst it looks like our own unit, it has not been modified. We own the rights to such modifications.
Hi Murray,
Thanks for the info….not sure what you mean by modified? I looked at your site and was interested in your machine but it appears you are in Australia? The Vibra Pro has a distribution centre here which means I could actually take a look at it, but I am seriously interested in knowing the difference between yours and there’s as your right they do look very similar I believe spec wise as well, but I’m certainly no expert. Also do you sell here?
The factory standard version of our machine runs at around 11-12Hz. There were a number of modifications I made with the manufacturer to change that, and ensure it could hold together at such force.
I am aware that this supplier spotted our unit whilst in the factory and requested something similar, however, without some key issues addressed, the unit will fall to bits.
With regards to their specs, they state
2.8 Hp
0-50Hz
Both are fake.
In Canada, we are discussing distribution with Dan Pelletier. I will email him now and tell him to follow up with you here.
Regards,
Murray
Hi Murray,
Thanks for the quick response. THAT is exactly where my concerns lie in terms of real specs vs what is advertised. I found an Italian site where they have actually measured numerous machines and the real ratings based on a number of factors including weight load. My concern about your comment above is the 11-12hz range which is not high enough to any real muscle stregthening, which from my limited knowledge seems to be at 16 hz and above for Pivitol, otherwise more a therapy device which is great but not all I’m after. I may have misunderstood your comment so please correct me if I’m wrong.
Before your response, I was led to a site called VibraFlex which is apparently the Galileo just different name in North America although I am leary that it is actually the same as apparently the original machine has been tested for accuracy and different hz ratings but I question why they would change the name here.
The Proellixe has definitely damaged my knees to some degree (my own fault) so I need and want to get something that will work the way all of the scientific research suggests they can.
How on earth is the general populace suppose to be able to see true test results on these machines??
Hi Kim,
The “base” Hypervibe model is limited in it’s hrz setting as described but the performance model has frequency range 6-28hrtz. It can challenge you on the fitness side.
Kim, if you are close we do have a performance model on hand to try. Where in Canada are you located!
Vibra Flex is a solid machine but is quite a bit more expensive.
Vibra Pro is just a copy of the american version of Vibradepot. Same equipment, all mainly (if not all) originating out of china. I had called them (vibradepot) in regards to a certain machine inquiring as to where it is manufactured and was straight out lied to. Be careful, on the listed pivotal machines they all have speeds 0-50hrtz some higher, true pivotal platforms such as gal, vibraflex do not go in excess of 30hrtz for a reason.
Specs on there models seem to match those of vibradepot. They are likely the base (before) modifications such as Murray has made and secured.
Proellix, hate spelling that one, common complaint we here is unreliable speed, seem to ramp up on there own for no reason which can be dangerous.
We are in Alberta. If we are close a chance to view and try is always beneficial.
You can email us directly at revibe@live.ca for more details.
Best Regards,
Hi Dan,
I’m in Vancouver, anyone here that has one? The reason I keep asking about the Vibra Pro is because they are actually IN Vancouver to look at but again, I am very happy to have the information. It would have been great if they were good because it would be convenient but do want a machine that does go to true 27hz even IF I won’t be able to utilize it for a while.
Suggestions welcome!
Kim,
So close yet so far..
I will have a couple of units in the area in the next few weeks. Currently there are none of Murrays Hypervibe machines other than mine that I am aware of. Having said that there could be one of the basic chinese originated units in a home or something similar but I am unable to locate any studio there using it.
A close friend of mine will help set up a small studio or demo centre where we will hold some inventory. My studio is here in Alberta.
Just a timing thing right now.
No harm in looking or trying the vibra pro but like you say you want a machine you can grow with then you will want to ensure the frequencies advertized are true and within safe zones ie. piv – 1-30 hrtz and not limited to 9-12hrtz. There have been enough discrepencies in similar units to warrant a closer look before you buy especially the speeds they advertize upto 56htz for pivotal is nuts.
I’ll let you know when I have one there.
My Regards,
Dan
Thanks Dan,
I’ll wait to hear from you. Done some searching myself and can’t seem to find much of anything here either, big city so somewhat surprising
Kim my husband and I have been interested in your postings since we are also in Canada and appear to be looking for a similar product. In fact, we were seriously considering the Vibra Pro 5500 until we did more research. We would really be interested in anything else you have found in Canada. It seems like the best two products sold in Canada are Wave and Hypergravity however they are very expensive and at least one is available in U.S. funds only. Can you share any more details with us.
Hi Paula,
Little confusing isn’t it. I think I’m leaning towards a pivitol/alternating vertical/oscillating. These are all terms that seem to be used to describe the same technology….I think. I seem to feel that the lineal would be better served if I actually had someone or some studio to train me on it, which would be great but non existent here. I am leaning towards the Vibraflex which is apparently the Galileo for the North American market of which the majority of studies were actually performed on as at least you can trust the specs on it. I don’t have a price on it and think it might be pretty scary so not sure yet. They do have a Canadian distributor which is also what I like. I found another site that appears to have some non-biased views and tests of machines, I believe both these sites do cross reference each other and are both here for sharing information. The site is http://www.vibrationtrainingdevice.com. He has reviews on Lineal as well as Pivitol and also lists his opinion on the strengths of both technologies.
I am very leary of not getting a machine that is accuratly outputting the proper settings as it appears that this could, in addition to not giving results, also be harmful.
I would love to hear what you decide and if you have found something else a bit more cost effective. Best of luck and you never know… they say 2 heads are better than one!
Kim right now I am so confused. In Canada we seem to have Hypergravity and the Wave. Both of which are very good but also high end.
Today we went into a very high end sports equipment shop and to our surprise here were two machines! One was Crazy Slim the other Zeno Pro TVR-4900. Both these units I believe are made in China, one for sure has been reviewed here . That is the Crazy Slim. Certainly would not buy that, the other one’s web site leaves a lot to be desired but I believe it is made in China. Certainly the sports shop did not really know much about them. He was waiting for a rep to come in and train them!
As much as I think these machines would be great, before buying I would like to see it and try it. This does not seem to be possible at the moment. Let me know what you find out. We will keep reading and perhaps soon something good and will appear in the Canadian market. One that we can purchase in Canadian funds and perhaps try out somewhere that we might travel.
You do not need to know much to understand the basics.
(1) Cheap Platic or Tin machines should be avoided.
(2) Light Vibration = Therapy
Heavy Vibration = Training
(3) Ask for proof the machine does not have fake specs if you think it does. Ask for conformation in writing from the store.
Do not let the sales speak, price or anything get in the way of those simple rules.
Hi Lloyd,
I think I understand the basics except, for your number (3) Asking for proof of legitimate specs and confirmation in writing may be good if I was planning legal action but I simply want a machine without getting shafted without paying a fortune and being able to see and try what I am getting. I am also not sure that some people would just tell you what you want to hear even writing it down .The higher the price the more critical. The need to see the product that we want to purchase and that doesn’t even address repairs if necessary. In Canada (probably like other countries) we have models that look like others but which one is legitimate, reputable retailers selling what many say is garbage and on and on it goes. I don’t think I have ever seen a product that has so many built in potential pitfalls.
That bit of advice was only mentioned because most salespeople, at a reputable store, will hesitate when asked this.
As it clears up any “confusion” excuse they are taught to use and most will just say they can not give you a written guarantee. Remember no matter where in the world you are, if it does not ” do what it says on the box” they can get fined. It may be a hollow threat if you are not willing to go that far, but at least it gives you a chance to assess their attitude.
Thanks . I understand what you are saying and that is the truth for sure.
We do appreciate all the information on your web site and that the fact that you keep us informed.
Paula:
Regarding your comment, “the greater the price, the more critical”. Would you feel the same way when looking at automobiles? Is a Hyundai the same as a Lexus? As Lloyd has stated several times, engineering and proper materials cost $$!! Vibration platforms are no different than any product. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
If you follow Lloyd’s rules when looking at a device you likely not go too far off course.
Lloyd,I have been trying to categorize the various models available in Canada that have created our interest based on your web site categories and what my wife and I are interested in for home use. I am not looking for your recommendations just that I have them slotted properly. Could you advise please as this will help leading us towards a decision.
High Energy Lineal: 1.Hypergravity (all models)2.Wave (all models) 3.Vibrogym Professional,Evolution and Medical.
Premium Speed Pivotal: 1.Hypervibe Performance 2.Vibraflex (Gaileo) all models
Unsure where these models are slotted: 1.Zen Pro & iShare http://www.magtonic.com/product.asp?ID=4 2. Power Plate (apparently Vibrogym is former Power Plate but Power Plate is still in business)3. Vibrogym home unit and 4. Hypervibe base model.
I have found your categories and explanations very helpful.
Zen Pro… Medium Energy Lineal
Power Plate …Medium Energy Lineal
Vibro-Gym Home… Medium Energy Lineal
HyperVibe Rejuvenate…. Low Speed Pivotal
Gordon- You can add Nitrofit Deluxe to that list of Premium Pivotals. Although we are a US company, we will ship to Canada.
Lloyd,
I want to start a vibration training program at home to lose weight for a wedding but I am expecting to move in 3 months time and don’t like the idea of moving a 100lb machine. If I don’t expect to use this DZT model for more than 2 years, and expect no one heavier than 160lbs to use this, do you think the DZT will serve my purpose?
For these cheaper models, is it safe to use them for 20 or 30 minutes instead of the advertised 10 to achieve advertised results as I’m assuming the 10 minute buzz phrase is referring to the superior movement transfer and frequency of the high end machines which the DZT may or may not be able to deliver.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer my questions.
Kimera
Kimera…
That machine is not a Vibration Training anything and it will do little more than warm you up, no matter how much you use it. As per its review in the “reviews” section on this site.
The price ? It is a $25 machine from China.
Thanks Lloyd,
You just saved me a load of frustration. I’m based in Alberta and want to spend $1500-2000 Canadian on a vibration training machine aimed at weight loss. If the machine is capable of gentler therapy settings as well, even better but not a priority. The machine is for home use and I am wary of getting a machine so large and bulky, I have to leave it behind when I move.
I tried following the ad links on this website for possible matches. The VibraTrim VT200 on http://www.vibra-trim.net and Farfalla on http://www.SlimVibes.com looked promising. Are these people pulling my leg as well?
Kimera
Kimera,
We have a studio in Alberta, Didsbury which is between Calgary and Red Deer, about 75k’s either way.
We operate Vibrogym Professionals and as of recent have a Hypervibe Performance that you can try. Will let you compare anything you may have tried so far. As well we can help you in proper utilization. I can say you will be amazed if you’ve tried any other pivotal equipment.
The sights mentioned as well equipment are highly suspect. The first looks just like the Crazy Fit, the second is a site we have found to be lacking in real ethics.
Our regards,
Kimera….
What the machines are called ( that week ) or what the adverts say is NOT important. The review section and the articles on this site telling YOU how to pick a machine is all that counts. Education is protection.
eg..
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/01/vibration-training-vs-vibration-therapy
One of about 5 articles you needed to read so you do not get ripped off.
So far you have only named Therapy machines which are light and cheap to build, but you keep stating you want a Training machine. That makes it hard for us to help.
Lloyd, I am in the market to get a WBV, I saw one that is a side to side WBV from CrazyFit Massage. Is that a good unit? I’d like it for fat loss, bone density and cellulite.. and am now confused which is a good unit to get, and I don’t have much to spend on it.
Is there a gym in CA that has these if I can’t one for home use? Let me know please as I am searching the net. Am in Los Angeles area.
thanks!
Iana, Are you joking?
You are welcome to ask questions but please make the effort to read some of the articles first. Even if you type crazyfit into the search box you will find all the answers you need.
Copied from the article above that you have asked this question on:
“Low Speed Pivotal”
“These make up about 98% of the Pivotal machines on the market and are almost always accompanied by fake specs which is a shame because they do have fantastic uses, but mainly in positive therapy benefits, just NOT weight loss and fitness which they are usually sold as to the unsuspecting public. These units seldom go over 12hz in tests but are sold at much higher speeds and values. Cheap to build with some very popular units being sold in China for as little as $80 and passed on as premium devices.”
So now you decide – Is this machine going to give you fat-loss?? reduce cellulite??
Also please read the very latest article – on the main page of this website.
It’s called: the-price-you-pay-crazy-fit-massage
I am a relatively fit 30 year old male and I am interested in purchasing a vertical wbv device to replace at least part of my weight training routine due to elbow pain. I have narrowed down my options to the DKN XG10 or the Hypergravity 360 and I was wondering which machine was better for strength training? Any information you could provide would be appreciated. Thank You
The DKN is generally considered a therapy platform (medium energy lineal) and operates at a lower amplitude. The HG 360 (high energy lineal) operates at a larger amplitude and is categorized as a training platform. Both are capable of improving muscle strength, but if “bulking up” is what you are looking to accomplish, the 360 would be a better choice. The extent of your elbow issue may also be something that needs to be considered before training though so look to use the platform for therapeutic purposes as well. Either one can be successful with regards to improving blood flow, flexibility and general soft tissue mobility. Both are manufactured well and comprised of steel.
I am looking at purchasing a http://www.vibrostation.co.uk/ – I have trawled through the site and understand the difference between linear and pivotal etc … this machine would be for home use (both hubbie and I have aches and pains, I have bad hips). This machine is cheap compared to other models, which is attractive (I have read the articles about getting what you pay for
)
Does anyone have one or can comment on the build quality?
cheers,
krista
Hello, I want to buy a pivotal wbv machine (home use) and really do not want to spend more then $2000. I have read all of the comments and I still need some help. Are the wbv platforms (w/o the tower/handles) ie: vibraflex home edition any good ?? Vibraflex will not show their prices on-line so I will have to call them this week…I am sure it is more then what I want to spend…. Also what I have read leads me to believe that the Hypervibe Performance would be the choice for me…..pivotal and price wise…is there another machine/model I should look into? The Nitrofit deluxe is out of my price range…..TY in advanced for your help.
Hello Lloyd
I’m in Ireland and just today I took delivery of a Crazy Fit Massage for a month home hire, if only I’d had the good sense to read the articles and advise on this website first!!!
Do you have anywhere in Ireland I could go to use your machine’s? I’m in Cork city which is in the South East.
If not, out of all the machine’s out there (there are so many) is there one in particular that you would personally use? I know I say only one but I’m just trying to shorten the list a bit… My reason for using one is to lose fat (quite a lot ) and gain muscle.
My thanks for any help you can give.
Karen
hello,
has anyone used a Bremshey Vibration plate ?? does anyone have any info on it besides what is on their web site ??
ty
cat
Johanne,
I’m sure that you are aware that it does cost money to run/maintain websites so where do you think that money will come from since we aren’t in the industry or do we sell a product? Advertisement is necessary and does not imply endorsement. The companies that advertise are up against the same scrutiny as any other company, perhaps more because we won’t allow unethical companies to advertise.
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