Vibration Therapy: Neuromuscular Re-Education
March 30, 2009 by ted
Filed under VIBRATION THERAPY
Although Neuromuscular Re-Education has no universally accepted definition, it generally refers to a treatment technique or exercise performed by an individual with the purpose of improving, via the nervous system, the level of communication between the body and the brain.
Because of the fact that vibration training and vibration therapy exercises rely on the involuntary stretch reflex, there is a significant amount of communication occurring between the brain and the contracting muscles with each individual exercise.
This serves to jump start the muscle through the severely high frequency of muscle contractions thereby enhancing the patients ability to efficiently recruit the muscle fibers, coordinate movement being performed by the joint, and muscle tissue, and reduce the typical post-injury mechanical dysfunction in a much more rapid fashion than traditional exercise; exercise that relies on voluntary movement.
This is often best demonstrated by having the patient perform a multi-planar exercise (an exercise that combines movements along several planes of motion. For example, raising a weight from the floor, in front of your left leg, to overhead using the right arm. This movement requires that the weight be raised up (sagittal plane), moved left to right (frontal / coronal plane) and rotated from in front to behind during the motion (transverse plane).
Proprioceptive Training
Also built in to the neuromuscular re-education process of this phase is something referred to as proprioceptive training. Proprioception is defined as the sense of the relative position of neighboring parts of the body. The proprioceptive system provides feedback solely on the status of the body internally. It is the sense that indicates whether the body is moving with required effort, as well as where the various parts of the body are located in relation to each other (thank you Wikipedia!).
In my practice it is joint position that is of primary concern to my patients. Much like in Phase 1 mentioned above, proprioceptive information is sent to the brain by certain receptors in the joints so while performing an exercise on the platform, this positional information battles the vibratory information already being overwhelmingly supplied to the brain. With careful consideration to the position being held during an exercise on the platform, certain case-specific movements can be performed in adjacent regions with the intention of actively enhancing the proprioceptive information being sent to the brain by those regions.
Successful enhancement of this proprioceptive communication is best measured by having the patient perform a simple region-specific proprioceptive exercise before and after exercising on the platform (i.e. pelvic clocks – #1 below or single leg balance exercises – #2 below)
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What is even more exciting about this phenomenon is that, in some cases, the proprioceptive benefits are seen in regions located far from those being stimulated. In the articles to follow, I will discuss the 3rd and 4th phases of treatment as well as other areas that have peaked my interest and that of my patients as well.
Written by By Gabriel Ettenson, MS, PT
John…quit your job and become the Secretary General of the UN immediately. You are always a reliable voice of reason and a great mediator. In fact, I was wondering this morning why we had not heard from you yet.
Lloyd,
I apologize if I was unlcear in my posts that I had no intention of “arguing” with you or anyone else on this forum. Also, I do not feel I have been condescending. referencing your profession was meant to emphasize your unfamiliarity with mine not to demean yours. If there is a Physio out there, I would love to have their point of view on the subject as they would likely understand the profession better and perhaps support OR reject the idea that it is not so cut and dry for us. We do have other roles when thoroughly rehabilitating our patients and those roles cover that grey area between therapist and trainer.
You said in your post:
We have Physios in N.Z. for our top sports teams and those same teams have strength and conditioning coaches ( they call them Trainers ). As is with all top teams in the U.S. But according to you they do the same job?”
The answer is NO, but there is quite a grey area in between the two and many are capable of and do in fact work within that grey zone to the benefit of the patient/client etc.
To maximize a patients rehab, the patient must complete the, let’s call it the “introductory training phase” (strengthening and conditioning to MAXIMIZE their potential progress in rehab) and it is 100% medically justified and reimbursable. The terms, “stable”, “basic level of function” etc. are straight up inaccurate terms to describe our “cut off point”. The word “maximize” is in the official American Physical Therapy Association definition of Physical Therapy. Perhaps not in New Zealand’s?
You mention the “six pack” request. Is that what someone asks a strength and conditioning coach or an athletic trainer…I don’t believe so…maybe I am incorrect…John would know better. Nor do I feel that their role is targeting weight loss so that seems neither here nor their to me.
As healthcare reimbursement has dwindled here, we are “cashing in” on our knowledge, experience, and expertise and “branching out” into Pilates, Yoga, Personal Training etc. My goal is to develop what you have developed, vibration training. Once these begin we are off of insurance and performing what you define as “training”, but it is introduced during the end stage of the therapy. That is how our patients step down from therapy with a strong knowledge base and safe understanding of the activity and how to progress. The other option is to send them to a gym and have them learn how to “shake off their fat” on the Powerplate. That’s what the trainers here say.
The point is that all these things are still the role of the Physio and for that reason I asked my original question, “wouldn’t these factors need to be considered when recommending a machine to someone”. Clearly there are demands for dual purposes of the platform and having two platforms seems to costly and inefficient to be the only option. Perhaps your knowledge of construction makes it the only option. if so, tell me that.
I truly feel that the difficulty that you, Di and Deb/Dan have understanding my point has to do a lot with differences between the US and NZ and the evolution of the Physio profession here..perhaps occurring faster in the US and perhaps something that most people outside of the profession are unaware of. Your beliefs on our roles are considered “old school” here. Not to insult you, but the honest truth.
I may only represent a small to medium percentage of the Physio population following this path right now, but this is a change that will occur more rapidly in coming years and perhaps you, a respectable, knowledgeable, and experienced authority on vibration training/therapy, would find this info helpful and it could better prepare you for what, in the US at least, will be a future application of vibration training/therapy.
I hope that makes things a bit clearer and if not, I will relent and continue to support this site in the best ways that I feel I can.
Thanks
Sorry mate, but I hate Gray zones. That’s where the marketers live.
Eg.. You can turn down a High Energy unit to a Therapy setting. But you can not turn a lighter Therapy unit up to High Energy. That is a construction/physics fact. You can not build muscle or burn fat effectively on a Low Energy device, the history of our industry has proven that.
You really need to think about the terms you use for this business reason alone…
Vibration Training… ? No contra-indications, precautions or injury
Promoted globally by most leading companies as a 10-20 minute short but hard workout. I use a set program so this is actually possible. This allows my customers to learn the program and hence ( while still watched by an instructor ) fly through the program with precision yet quickly, if it is too long or complicated or changes often you will lose that flow . My entire system, even the machines , electronics and mat system, is streamlined for this which is 95% of our work. Ask Philippa what a difference it makes to her business.
Note: I add poses or upgrade a person to a higher level machine (2-5) but never subtract a pose. The order and even the process of getting into the pose is set in concrete. We are very , very strict on this.
Eg.. Power Plate and Vibro-Gym suffered quite a backlash over here with customers complaining their advertised ” 10 min workout” took over 45 mins ? They hurt our industry by not delivering on their advertising. Typical where marketers do not sit down with trainers . Considering I developed the safety program with all this in mind while I was at Power Plate it was an unnecessary mistake. And guess who changed the program when I left ? A “top” Physio.
Vibration Therapy…..
A much more hands on experience we do for people with contra-indications, injuries etc.. or “issues” ( some not physical like confidence ) where it obviously can not be a set program and time is not a factor. I use a lower force machine so they can not get injured and I vary from the safety program into other poses that can not be done on other machines.
Eg… Vibration Therapy is always done on the Vibra-Train standard that has these options, vibration handle bars, half power option (level 1) , 45 degree angle on front ( for seated work ) etc.. My goal is to get the person to a level where they can do the safety training program ( on my website ) on a level 2 machine.
I think until someone is forced to make this distinction because you have a larger operation, anyone can afford to have gray areas. But not having the bigger picture in and being able to bridge the gap between theory and practice will limit any ideas you have of business growth. I had the big picture in mind from day one, which is why you can not fathom half my statements or practices.
But I do not think that is in the best interests of the future of our industry if we want to take it past a “fringe exercise tool” stage.
Gabriel
While I appreciate your expertise as a Physio you are 5 years behind us in your understanding of Vibration Training. We have purpose built machines, program, even the studio layout, to allow people to come in, do their workout (at low cost) and be gone again in just 10-12 minutes. Customers have one-on-one instruction at first then, when ready, they do it alone But with an instructor watching over and available to correct or instruct.
Of course customers are screened when they begin and they tell us if they injure themselves playing sport etc. Only If they cannot manage the short safety training program do they do Vibration Therapy. This requires an instructors complete attention and takes longer than the training 10 minutes.
No appointments needed with 9 machines on the floor, all operating the same. If a customer can do the safety program perfectly – holding perfect position for the required time – then they can repeat one or two positions or others can be added. They can also move onto a higher level machine.
It’s very simple from an operating viewpoint – I’ve been a customer 2 1/2 years and involved in every way I could learning, participation in this forum and more, as an instructor whenever I was needed or could push my way in (I wanted to be here!), and now on staff for the past two months on morning shift. If you’ve read my comments you will know I looked at buying a different brand studio so I’ve looked into every aspect of this industry.
My morning customers are often on their way to work. The system here works perfectly for them. Others are moms with pre-school children who would not play quietly for more than 10 minutes – we’d have to provide childcare if we had long individual sessions. Customers who work night shifts come in at 7pm on their way to work or at 8am on their way home. Guys come in in their lunch break or before their sports training.
It works for all – for customers the short time, low cost, safety program that gets amazing results. For studio owners, a business model that works, requiring few staff and little cost over initial setup. Advertising is mostly word-of-mouth yet we get new people in every day. I am telling you all this from the perspective of an employee but If I ran a studio I would not change anything.
I went away while writing my post and now see that Lloyd has already covered the points I wrote.
I have had experience of other brands of machine. PowerPlate – I’ve used 5 times now in various settings, always needing individual instruction as the program was different each time dependant more on the Instructor than any updating of the program or other reason. VibroGym – individual instruction with a individualised program seems to be the norm but I’ve been allowed to work-out on my own (and been corrected when out-of-position so the studios I’ve been to have followed the Vibra-Train training method of having an Instructor watching over). I’ve used VibroGym machines both in NZ and Australia. Fit-X was the worst system I ever used. The machines with their inbuilt program that you “half follow” and half “do your own thing” was confusing and the Vibex (NZ Studio) system was that of a long 25min or longer work-out. I would never return! Fit-Vibe system is likewise long and involved.
Although some machine brands are the problem with their computerised screens showing the clients program, read from a card, or just one of the standard programs; the biggest problem for me as a customer was that the program changed everytime I went along and each Instructor had their own preferences and made differing assessments of my ability and my needs.
I was often judged poorly (I am middle-aged and a bit overweight). I was sometimes perceived to be unfit and weak and only “allowed” to do 30 second positions on low force. Telling these Instructors that I was physically strong fell on deaf ears. I was encouraged to persist with the low grade sessions for 12 months, at which time I would have been allowed to move onto the level of training I was already doing (with ease) at Vibra-Train. 40 minutes of wasting my time and the cost was high – US$23 compared with US$7 at Vibra-Train. I couldn’t afford that price.
Price – that’s another issue Gabriel. With everyone cutting back financially you need to provide a service that people can afford 2-3 times a week. Quality at a price people can afford.
Machines – You need machines that will work in a commercial environment. Down time due to machine breakdown is unacceptable. I hope you will continue on this site. Your Physio expertise is a useful contribution. Just allow others to guide you with the specifics of Vibration Training and business in this as its an area that Lloyd and others have enormous knowledge and experience in.
Gabriel..
You may want to remember we have had fully qualified Physios set up their own studio in N.Z ( with Vibro-Gyms , so they had very good machines similar you yours ) and failed to capture enough of the market to survive. They already owned a very successful Pilates studio system and wanted to expand their empire to copy our success.
The business was then passed on to a qualified personal trainer who also failed.
Note: They both copied our marketing almost word for word ( actually plagiarized some ) to get the numbers in but did not copy our protocols.
Both told me my clear definitions of Therapy and Training was stupid and I should be listening to them, because they were more “qualified” than me they could see things I could not. Same points you make.
Do not make their mistake, clarify your target market and go for it. If you try to be everything to everybody you may end up with nobody.
Thanks for the replies. I feel we are getting closer to establishing clarity on this discussion, but I blame myself because some of my points have been missed. That’s neither here nor there though. I am just glad to put an end to things. I have never questioned your protocols and clearly they are what separates you from all these failing businesses.I have been following your protocol all along and it works…no questions about it.
Lloyd said, “You can turn down a High Energy unit to a Therapy setting.”
That’s kinda what I have been asking the whole time. If this is possible, why recommend therapy units only to therapists when, as I mentioned, they may have plans to do both as a normal progression of their rehab (end stages) and also for additonal future side business.
“Both told me my clear definitions of Therapy and Training was stupid and I should be listening to them, because they were more qualified than me they could see things I could not. Same points you make.”
Come on Lloyd, I never implied this nor said it. I only asked how things may differ in a changing environment in the states.
I will continue to contribute in every way that I can..no doubt about it. Thanks for the discussion. Even though I feel some points were missed, quite a bit has been cleared up for me and I feel it will only help strengthen my future projects with vibration therapy / training.
This thread is starting to make my head spin. I am slightly confused as to what is the bottom line – is it:
What is the difference between vibration training used for therapy and vibration training used for strength, inch loss, fitness etc?
or
Can a studio straddle the dual role of providing therapy and general purpose fitness?
or
Can a cheap unit be used for therapy?
Quite hard to contribute without being clear about the nub! But for what it’s worth here’s my tuppence worth – apologies if I missed anyone’s point.
The vast majority (about 95%) of the clients in our studio come because the want to be slimmer. That is their main reason. Added to this – yes they want to be stronger, more flexible, improved bone density and all the the other things but ulimately they want to look good in their bikini! However we have had in a number of clients who have come in for purely therapeutic reasons (stiffness, post operative healing, osteo-arthritis) and they have received great benefits too.
In terms of running a business I would be closed in a month if I targeted this group – they simply would not ever be the bread and butter of what we do. If we were to move into this area – we would have to offer 1:1 sessions and charge around £50 a session for this to work.
In terms of the safety programme that Vibra-train and I use – the more I do this and the busier I get – the more I value how well the programme works. Firstly it ensures that everyone gets a whole body workout rather than an unbalanced pick and mix of exercises. Secondly it ensures people get through the programme in the 20 min slot. However probably THE most important factor is getting them to learn how to do the set number of poses CORRECTLY. Whether all people in the UK are rubbish kinesthethic learners or whether this is a worldwide problem I don’t know. What I do know is that 80% of my clients have immense difficulty even getting themselves to stand with feet hip-width apart and parallel. It takes them an average of about 10-30 sessions (depending on their learning style) to learn how to hold these few poses precisely and believe it or not we have people who have been coming for months who still need constant reminding. The scale of wrong (and therefore potentially dangerous) positioning if we threw more positions in would be huge. Having the Vibratrain machines has really helped as their design fits the programme so it is much easier for our customers to hold positions correctly. The delay timer also means the trainer can give all their attention to ensuring positioning is correct and that people are being challenged to an appropriate level rather than acting as a machine programmer.
Not sure if any of that helps.
Philippa, In a Vibration Training Studio – “training” covers physio for most people – to clarify: If a person can do the safety program they get the fitness and general health results and the program contributes (amazingly in many cases) to rehab of injuries, even old conditions, also to improvement in some health conditions eg as we’ve said on here, impaired conception, depression, obesity related conditions etc.
IF a person is physically or even mentally unable to do the short safety program, only then do they have a special “physio” program. This might be sitting in a wheelchair or chair with feet onto the Vibra-Train machine (the one with side handlebars). It might be simply repeats of “ski-the-slopes” position using the side handle bars for support – this physio option is one I am all too familiar with each time I stupidly re-injure my knee. Lloyd then totally forbids me to do the program, my “punishment” (helpful treatment although it doesn’t feel like it) is up to 10 repeats of “ski-the-slopes” (super squat using side handlebars to take some pressure off the lower body.
I’m sure Lloyd will better clarify this. Even my 80 something year old priest does the full safety program as it’s simplicity (yet result producing) allows everyone to – eventually – get it right. Before that they do need instruction. After they “get it” they need watching over and one instructor can watch over many people.
Philippa, the fastest, easiest way to help people learn the program is to speak out loud the exact same instructions every session. Print them out and put on the wall so customers can read them. I do laugh though as many try to start at position 3. I’m sure there’s a psychological reason but sorry I remind them, the program always starts at Position 1 *laughs*
The demographics of your customers are interesting. I can’t say I see any one group predominate where I work. We have every type of person, highly trained sports people, many regular people who enjoy the fitness/health gains, older people for whom it’s their only work-out, overweight males and females, intellectually challenged people, people with specific rehab needs. It’s so exciting seeing this one form of training provide so many benefits.
The design of the machines
Makes all the difference in helping people get “into position”. Having bio-mechanical markers – exact places to put feet, hands, knees, look at,
means that even the slowest learners soon get it right. It becomes a meld of person and machine. I appreciate this more every day, as an instructor and when using the machines myself.
Gabriel….
Your question answered……… Economics
If a health pro wants to do both Therapy and Training they have had to spend about 4 times as much because the more you ask the machine to do, the more it costs to build. A disparagingly large difference in price that needs to be made back somehow.
Eg…
If 95% of their work is just getting someone back to a baseline, then the patient stops coming when they feel better and are not seen again until they re-injure themselves.
Only 5% of their work is going above and beyond baseline into Training.
So 95% of the work pays for 25% of the machine.
%5 of the work pays for the other 75% …?
You have to understand that price is a major limiting factor in health pros getting the machines that “do it all” so most will not buy them at all ( how many of your Physio friends have scoffed at the price you paid? ) . That was always going to be the case. At least not until they can justify the expense.
How do you bridge that gap ?
Get them a positive experience that wont break the bank. A machine that does 95% of their work and pays for itself very quickly. They will also too eventually see the limitations and upgrade, not really worrying about the price because its an investment by that stage not an experiment.
Those Physios out there who are not interested in “Training up” their customers will stick to the cheaper light models, but either way we have helped normalize the use of these machines in that setting.
Just one of the many battles we face as an industry, that needs attacking with forethought and an understanding of “all” the obstacles in our way.
Philippa….
No you are not alone. Most people are retarded in body awareness and would have fallen off a cliff long ago if fences were not put up
I quite often ask people if they are drunk to wake them up to the fact they are clowning around.
Useful advice….
Instead of asking them to look at their own hips and put their feet that far apart, tell them to look at “your” feet and “you” show them how far apart you want their feet.
Then simply state ” I never want to see them further apart from this EVER, do you understand ”
Make sure this article is up on the wall, well at least the part about taking your time and thinking….
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/04/how-to-act-on-and-around-a-vibration-training-machine
My business has always been built on word of mouth. I take great pride in my work and have worked tirelessly to educate myself, provide one-on-one, hands-on care, and always keep up with newer trends in rehab and fitness. Your “business model explanation” makes complete sense, but having something that is in short supply in NY generates “buzz” and between physicians hearing about newer therapy tools that could, and does, benefit their patients to the continuous contact I receive from other individuals whom I have never met or have nothing to do with a physician referral asking to try vibration therapy/training (depending on who told them about me) is how I make up that 75% and justify the cost of a more expensive platform. One other thing to consider is that in NYC…people will pay! This city and the Upper East Side particularly (where I work) is built on both vanity, continuous functional independence and ambition to never age. There is quite a bit of money here and higher rates for services can be potentially higher.
Anyway, what I realize is that I am perhaps the minority who approaches things in this particular fashion right now. I also realize that I have never put business over my work and maybe that makes me slightly idealistic. I trust that your protocols are the way to go as I learn, but I cannot 100% buy into the fact that any form of therapy or fitness can follow a protocol for every individual. I do appreciate though that you are trying to just get standards in place so legitamacy can be established. I have come away from this with a lot more helpful information. I appreciate all your feedback and look forward to continuing to contribute and of course, occasionally raising hell.
Philippa .
No you are not alone. Most people are retarded in body awareness and would have fallen off a cliff long ago if fences and signs were not put up.
I quite often ask people if they are drunk to wake them up to the fact they are clowning around.
Useful advice .
Instead of asking them to look at their own hips and put their feet that far apart, tell them to look at your feet and you show them how far apart you want their feet.
Then simply state I never want to see them further apart from this EVER, do you understand
Make sure this article is up on the wall… how-to-act-on-and-around-a-vibration-training-machine
Gabriel…
I think maybe you little eco-system is slightly different than the rest of world we live in
You stand out by not being “normal” in NY , were as I work hard for “normalization” of this science on a global scale.
Hi Philippa,
Don’t sweat it about how difficult it is for people to learn the poses, i have clients that have been coming to me for over 2 years now, that i still have to abuse for not taking their time and concentrating.
You will find even Lloyd still swears at his most frequent customers, infact they are usually the ones that become too familiar and think they know it all.
a little abuse goes a long way and you will find the customer…
A: appreciates you for taking notice and correcting them or
B: Thinks they are better than you and know more so probably won’t return
9 times out of 10 they stay, as it is the 1 on 1 hands on approach that customers like and know they are getting value for money.
Mike
Thanks guys – good to know it’s not just the Brits that are a bunch of rubbish malco-ordinated fools then! Yes I just keep chipping away and you are absolutely right Mike – 9/10 people do appreciate being kept safe and are quite reassured by my constant nagging! And yes we also have lost the odd one to Powerplae who wants to do a one handed plank and sit up up on the machines and is most put out when I tell them “No!”.
Philippa…
You have to spend time crushing their self esteem and ridiculing any hints of independent thinking. Once they feel worthless, useless and physically inept they are far easier to deal with.
Hints: Electric shocks help and I carry a piece of rubber hosing just in case I see someone mustering up a thought.
Of course they drool quite a bit by this stage and you should not let them drive. But it makes our job allot easier
I like it! Bootamp style vibration! Am off to the Farm shop now for a cattle prod. May stop off at an S&M shop too for a few whips and chains. Ve have Vays of making you stick to ze programme.
Hi, Thanks once again to everyone for your help. Most of what has been written makes good sense to me except for the occasional animosity which sneaks in. I continue to ask my egocentric questions in the hope that your answers will interest others as much as they do me. In particular, Lloyds advice on getting a ‘cheap as’ machine initially, made perfect sense to me. So much so that I am considering ignoring it and getting a ‘training’ machine. Which brings me, in my long winded way, to my 2 questions. Firstly, is Vibrogym Domestic (the only machine available to me for financial and geographic reasons) adequate for home vibration training and secondly, though I need no help in feeling physically inadequate and there is
no shortage of people who would love to beat me with a rubber hose, I have as yet to find here a personal trainer experienced in vibration training. Keeping in mind that this is allways prefered, can I learn enough from the instructional DVD that comes with the machine and following the workout guidlines provided by Lloyd elsewhere, to get reasonably productive and safe vibration training at home?
Thanks again,
David
Hi David
Personally I wouldn;t rate Vibrogym domestics – they are not steel and not great. For that kind of budget I would recommend you look out for a second hand Vibrogym Pro, an second hand Bodyshaker Pro or Bodyshaker Junior, or you may be able to afford a new Bodyshaker Junior which retail at about £3,500 (similiar to the VG domestic price?)Re training – Vibrogyms own training posters have many many positions some of which I would not consider safe. Probably best thing to do is a) nag Lloyd to get his arse into gear and put some training on Youtube, and b) download Lloyd’s safety programme from the Vibra-train website and have some one who is body aware check you carefully on it for a number os sessions – it can be very hard to check yourself particularly on things like pelvic stability.
David, If you follow, step by step, the instructions of the Vibra-Train safety program you will get into perfect position every time. Self correcting is necessary to stay in position through the 60 second poses. This can be easier if someone who is “body aware” watches over you, especially in the beginning. Please don’t follow the DVD program that comes with machines. The Vibra-Train safety program is as it says SAFE and its extremely effective without putting you at any risk of injury as with long, many position programs. The program’s simplicity and short time period can be deceptive – believe me, It works!
[On my second visit to Vibra-Train (2 1/2yrs ago) Lloyd hit me over the back of the head while yelling at me. I was so shocked! His slight tough might as well have been a sledgehammer. Effective, wasn't it!
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Philippa- Did you receive my email? I sent it a couple of weeks ago….I figured you would respond so just checking…cheers!
David….
Check out the Body-Shaker Junior. Good value. Solid design.
To everybody…..
If animosity, arguments, unflattering comments etc… put you off this sit in any way could you please consider the following.
This is an online community of real people, some with strong opinions, which we in fact promote the airing of. Why ? Because once we start asking people to hold back we start entering the PC censorshiped area of some other sites ( eg . blogcritics ) were not upsetting someone becomes more important than the truth. It sounds like a bunch of lawyers having a conversation.
Opinions and the truth can sometimes be raw, and by trying to be too nice, sometimes its impact can be lost.
“Controversy” creates interest.
So I must apologies for anyone who sometimes feels uncomfortable with the banter on here, but its always going to be a roller coaster ride as long as passionate people are contributing, and personally I would have it no other way.
To those who do not like my comments sometimes, imagine how I feel ?
I have to live with myself.
Hi Ted
No – didn’t get your email otherwise I would have responded. Try again : info@resonancevt.co.uk
Hi Guys,
I will,once again, availe myself of your expertesse. Progress has been slow over here hunting down a domestic machine suitable both for therapy and training. To make a long story less long, I can get my hands on(with the banks help) a hypergravity machine, either the domestic or domestic delux model. I am not sure what the differance between them is in terms of performance but the price diff. will be $500+. I hope to speak with the sales rep/manager soon. I believe the Hypergravity Domestic model has been mentioned favourably elsewhere and I was wondering what your preference would be between the 2. The only other posability for a training machine would be a Vibrogym Pro, but there is a limit to the banks generosity…
Thanks,
David.
Hi David. I think the difference there is that the delux is the newer design with a different panel. It can also be adjusted by 1 hz increments, from 1-60 hz. Whether the base is larger, which would be worth it if it is, is something you should ask Josh.
I think Lloyd can possibly add a bit more here though. I don’t think the frequency adjustment alone is worth it as lower frequencies are essentially useless. The original personal unit is a good machine and affordable. The vibrogym is much pricier no?
Hi Gabriel,
Thanks so much for your prompt reply!, asspecially since Im dying to get started. As per add.,(still havent spocken to the rep yet) the Domestic has freq. settings from 25 to 60hz., increments not mentioned, timer settings from 15 to 120secs., and a max. load of 300lbs.. The Delux version has freq. settings from 15 to 73hz.,adjustable by 4hz. increments, timer settings from 0 to 190secs., and a max. load of 325lbs. It also has 6 automatic programs. Other than the above they seem roughly the same, including platform size. Worth the price diff.? The Vibrogym Pro is much more expensive than both, unfortunately.
Ill let you know what the rep/manager has to add.
Im so grateful for your continuing help.
David
Unless you weigh 301 lbs or more, I cannot see the need to go to the newer platform. The settings recommended on this site are avail. on the older unit. Unless the technology has changed of course. I think they are both still the same basic systems. Again, Lloyd should be able to let you know if there is a difference.
Good Luck.
Thanks Gabriel. This is more like a chat line than a blog! The Manager/Owner? of Hypergravity just rang from California, Josh Hayon. Very nice man. He feels I would enjoy/benefit more from the Delux version because the control panel is better designed, the freq. settings go up to 73 in 1hz increments, they get great feed back from clients addicted to the auto programs, it looks better, and is a more sturdy build. It also weighs alot more (190lbs compaired to 110lbs).They subsidize its freight. Might the weight diff. make a diff. also in the transmitted force of the vibrations?
David
David…
Semms you have most of your answers. Yes the increased weight of the unit changes the workout to a heavier vibration.