Why Buying a True Commercial Product Is Important
A lot of companies are now claiming commercial status on their Vibration Training products - piggy-backing on the engineering success of others. Some players that have been in the market for years selling “Professional” models are now only trying to develop machines that can be used in this demanding scenario.
Why Go Full Commercial?
The expense can sometimes put people off buying such a product or getting involved in a commercially designed machine or company. It is tempting to fill studios or gyms with medium-grade machines to cut down on set-up costs (especially if your accountant is not educated in the value of commercial equipment).
Failing to do your homework or go cheap is simply suicide -
Think about this:
(1) The average business loan is 3-6 years depending on the amount needed for start-up.
(2) If the product is only of a low standard the unit will need replacing before the loan term is up.
Below is a statement from an award winning European company with a very good reputation.
“The Professional unit which you will be familiar with, is a very reliable piece of equipment and is researched and engineered to exceed the useful commercial life expectation of 2-3 yrs” ( approx $15,000 NZ).
Or This:
I have a list of serial numbers of machines advertised as commercial units sold to businesses in N.Z. and tests offered in court for a legal dispute in which I instigated in 2005 against another well known brand (of which they claimed they all operated perfectly). I have proof that not a single original unit tested is still in operation. How can this possibly be right ?
Unless of course they completely lied to the consumer in the first place.
It would be wise to see if any company has claimed commercial status of their units in the past and it has turned out not to be true.
(3) It is important to note that no bank will give you a loan to replace equipment you have not yet finished paying for. This is a financial trap that forces you to continue buying lower quality products over and over again.
Even if you have learned your lesson by this stage, there is no way out. In the 3rd year when you should be finally getting a return on your investment, you have to re-invest in new machinery just to stay open.
(4) This is not a mistake on the manufacturers part, it is deliberate and it continues to be most companies policy to produce goods with a limited lifespan. Why?
Take an example:
When the first fridges were produced , they were designed to never break. But it was quickly realized that this would lead to a saturation point in the market, so they started to design faults so it became cheaper to buy a new fridge than fix your old one. These companies now work on the assumption
you will need about 9 fridges in your lifetime upgrading to their new model as they release them .
Now this is all fine unless you need the fridge in your restaurant business in which case you go and by a coolstore that doesn’t break.
(5) This cycle of using under-rated machines will stop you ever achieving a debt-free business, and definitely put a kink in any expansion plans you may have had to start with.
(6) The other advantage of getting involved with a commercial brand is the ability to refurbish the product to “as new” looks when the time ever comes to sell the business. A “going concern” is only attractive if the machines look good and are still “going”.
(7) Performance related issues due to low quality will also lose you customers over the long term as they will not see the results you advertise. They will hear and read about excellent results from other companies and just think you are ripping them off. Bad word of mouth travels faster than good.
Final Word
My advice is to take the time to visit a commercial premises running the machines or using the company you are looking at getting involved with. Make sure it has been running for some time (at least 6 months) to get an idea of how the products hold up to high end usage. Do not trust the “showroom shine” appeal of a brochure or website.
If there are none of those exact units running in your country yet get someone to pop into a studio overseas - even if you have to pay for this service - it is well worth it.
Written by Lloyd Shaw on April 13th, 2008
44 Comments
That particular Pro unit was designed by the same company that designed the Evolution. So only time will tell if things have changed.
My faith at this point is limited.
God this has taken some time , but….
Mike Hair has done the deal to be the supplier of HyperGravitys new line of products in N.Z. and Australia.
As a member of the I.V.T.R.B. he will have as much industry support as he needs , as long as he fullfills all the obligations required of him.
Note: He has signed the Code of Conduct that stops him acting in an unethical manner.
I welcome some decent competition into the market and I believe this is the kind of thing that helps our entire industry be taken seriously .
- Anna
April 28th, 2008Hello Lloyd and Timothy Chan,
I have purchased the Hypergravity Gym-O-Vibe, hope to have it within 2 weeks time. I will keep you posted.
regards,
Anna - Keith
April 29th, 2008Great! Congratulations Mike. Wishing you all the best with the HG agency.
As an HG owner I will be looking forward to Lloyds opinion of the machine and how it relates to his machines because unless someone opens a Vibratrain in SA there is no way I am going to find out for myself. I’m not looking for a comparison because there most probably isn’t one but maybe Lloyds advice can be more specifically machine targeted if he is familiar with the other machines?
Either way it looks more and more promising by the day as the rubbish is weeded out and wbv gains more credence.
Btw Crazy Fits are now selling in SA for R2500 which is about NZD $425 - Di Heap
April 29th, 2008Congratulations Mike! I am so excited about the future of wbv in New Zealand, Australia, and the rest of the world.
Anna,
Look forward to hearing your comment on your Hypergravity Gym-O-Vibe.
TC
- Keith
April 30th, 2008Hi Anna
I have also been watching your steady progress to your eventual purchase of the Hypergravity and willing you to make the (I believe) right choice with the help of the experts.
Well done on your purchase I know you are going to enjoy it.
Looking forward to your comments on the Gym-O-Vibe, it’s a stunning looking machine.
Best Wishes - KG
April 30th, 2008Lloyd-
1)Does the IVTRB have a website?2)I don’t see why you would be giving Hairy Mike such accolades as he will be competition for your studios…unless you’ve made enough grip to not care anymore.
Please discuss your motivations(or lack thereof).I’m not giving you a hard time BTW, rather just asking something readers are probably wondering about.
3)Additionally…any All Blacks use your machines? You don’t have to answer now, if you would like once the AB’s win the World Cup on home soil you can answer.
Yours in WBV,
KG
- KG
April 30th, 2008I’m assuming they’ll win on home soil. They blew it in France with no fault of their conditioning/physicality-all mental.
If they did use your machines…it was not their(machines) fault.
No All Blacks us my machines , they will do it AFTER the rest of the world does it.
They are not the quickest bunch.
I have posted an answer re Mike , it must be stuck in the system.
- Keith
April 30th, 2008I thought Mike was bald?
For some reason my lastest ‘long wonded” blog wont go through…
So to answer KGs question in short…
Mike has been ripped off himself , run 2 studios and his heart is in the right place.
Why wouldnt I want him as competition ?
Yes , I might lose the odd studio sale due to him selling units , and our studios may not get the odd customer from a gym who now has a decent machine.
But the over-all effect on the industry will be positive
Note….
Companies like Power Plate have made Vibration Training a joke in the fitness industry , and our studios have been effected by the negative impression they leave.
With Mike being a member of the IVTRB and signing a Code of Conduct at least we know what he stands for and against.
The IVTRB……
will have its own website , but unlike this one it will have much more indepth scientific articles and harder hitting consumer reviews , and NO forum.
That way the IVTRB and its articles can be discussed openly on this site ( which I have no control over ) so I can never be accused of censorship.
Note: I am still going to write more middle of the road articles and answer questions from consumers on this site .
- Mike Hair
May 2nd, 2008Right from the start when My wife and I set up our first studio we determined we would play a part in this industry, how big a part we did not know. It was always our intention to set up more studios.
Thanks to the encouragement of Lloyd Shaw we are stepping out and doing what others have failed to do in the past i.e.: distribute a quality machine with good backup and service.
Lloyd has always encouraged me to stay independent even though I have always wanted to be part of his company, (right from the first day I stepped on one of his machines).
The benefits from saturating the market place with quality machines and safe training practices can only help this whole industry move forward.
Healthy competition is a good thing. - Keith
May 2nd, 2008Good on you Mike and to Lloyd for the confidence in his product so as not to be concerned about competition. Just imagine being able to choose from only one make of car on the market.
The idea of more scientific articles and reviews on an independant site which will hopefully set an internationally accepted standard is exciting to say the least.
Hopefully the science will not be blinding and therefore more understandable to us mere mortals
Well done that a “little Kiwi Man” could have achieved so much against the forces arrayed against him. Even Sal whatever his name is seems to have gone mute. - Mike Hair
May 2nd, 2008Hey Keith
Thanks.
How is your hypergravity going?
The 2 i imported to NZ are going great. - Keith
May 2nd, 2008Couldn’t be happier Mike, with the help of you guys I definitely made the right choice. Iv’e achieved more with body shape in 6 months with wbv than with a year in the gym. We love training and look forward to every session. We’ve helped friends with back aches with a bit of coaching from Lloyd. I’ve had a chance to try PowerPlate ….. what a misnomer… PowerPuff might be more accurate. I don’t know how anybody could try a powerplate and then a proper machine and not be able to tell the difference.
With all the good publicity of late about wbv I’m looking forward to hearing about you making your 1st/2nd million shortly
Just don’t sell a machine to the Brumbies until the Stormers have beaten them! This is not a marketing ploy, but just letting people know that our web page is now up and running. We have worked hard over the last 2 years in this industry to get to this point and are looking forward to our next transition.
We will be working hard at helping this industry move forward with quality machines, and will be doing our best to insure that safe training is followed.
you can click on my name to view our new site.Regards Mike
- Di Heap
May 4th, 2008Yeah! Congratulations Mike. It looks good.
Just one small point though. In my browser (Mozilla)the apostrophe in the word “tax’s” has changed to a black ?. You might like to check the spelling as I think the word you want is “taxes”
This is all so exciting.
Thanks Di.
- Keith
May 4th, 2008Hey Di your wish is granted. You always wanted to try the Hypergravity. Let us know what you think. Hope you are close enough to Mike to do so?
- Di Heap
May 4th, 2008Thanks Keith, Yes, Yes, Yes! I will definitely be trying out the Hypergravity machines. If you look at a map of New Zealand, I live at the top and Mike lives right at the bottom with land and sea seperating us so I’ll have to wait a bit longer. But, as I live in NZ’s largest city I’m sure Mike’s new machines will soon be available here. (Maybe I can convince my gym to get one)
- Anna
May 4th, 2008Hi Mike,
What you call Quality Commercial Vibe is it the Gym-O-Vibe ?
Anna
Hi Anna,
Yes it is the gym-o-vibe. We get them straight from the hypergravity factory.
We have taken on the roll of offering, not only a quality product but also quality backup, quality training and quality service. Hence the name Quality-Vibes International.
Although we are aware of your purchase, our roll of taking over the distributorship for NZ and Australia happened after that.The quality service we will provide is essential for the use of the machine.
Our experience in this industry tells us that you can have the best machine in the world but without the backup and training they are useless.Regards Mike
- gary
May 5th, 2008Hi Mike im in the uk and want to get trained in vibration training i run a gym and i am going to buy a HG machine do you know where i can get trained im prepared to travel anywhere for the right course
- Lloyd Shaw
May 5th, 2008KG….
Your question is a good one , and one that boils down to the very essence of what I believe…
” Never operate out of fear ”
To create an industry we actually need multiple players in the market , doing the RIGHT thing by the consumer. If this does not happen Vibration Training will forever stay a “fringe exercise tool” , it has to be normalized and that takes competition + time.
So far our competition has been cheap, nasty and dishonest and has almost frozen the market due to their shear incompetence.
Think about this….
A gym down the road gets a Vibration Training machine ( or a replica of one ) , but the unit is so unimpressive most people just walk past it , the ones
that do try think its just “OK”.That hurts our entire industry.
Have you any idea what a joke Power Plate has made of Vibration Training ?
Mike Hair signed the Code of Conduct from the IVTRB and wants to help me create an industry we can be proud of and will still be around in 10 years.
He has been ripped off himself and over time has shown me to be an honest person involved in this industry for all the right reasons , so the real question is…
Why wouldn’t I want him to be my competition ?
Yes , the IVTRB will have its own website , but unlike this one it will have much more indepth scientific articles and harder hitting consumer reviews , and NO forum.
That way the IVTRB and its articles can be discussed openly on this site ( which I have no control over ) so I can never be accused of censorship.
Note: I am still going to write more middle of the road articles and answer questions from consumers on this site .
Hi Gary,
Rather than get my but kicked for marketing on this site you can e-mail me direct at mike_hair@xtra.co.nz and i will answer your question.Regards Mike
Gary…
Contact Kevin Barclay-Webb at The Fitness Lounge in the U.K.
The HyperGravity units are commercial sized versions of machines he already has at his gyms . I do not agree with all their training methods but is a good place to start.
- Keith
May 8th, 2008I don’t know if I have missed something somewhere but when was the IVTRB formed, Is there a copy of the code of conduct to be seen, Is there a website yet, which companies have currently signed up etc etc?
The I.V.T.R.B. was launched in 2007 , and the below has been signed by trainers , studio owners and importers…….
Please return e-mail signed and confirmed by your companys CEO under your COMPANY name. This will ensure a single vote from each company in the future. Most of us already run under these regulations so should not effect your business in any way. But will give us a voice in the future.
Base requirements for I.V.T.R.B. safety and ethics standards.
(1) Exposure time to units kept below 30mins max every second day.
(2) Fq’s of 30-50Hz kept for all regular exercise programs for Lineal platforms.
(3) Fq’s of 1-30hz kept for all regular exercise programs on Pivotal platforms.
(4) Tests for drop in Fq due to load on platforms recorded and accounted for in programs if drop above 10%. ( this may take time but the acknowledgement that such measures should take place will suffice )
(5) A list of unethical traders not to be dealt with , whose actions bring into disrepute our industry ( solid evidence would be needed ). And the boycott to remain active with members.
I understand number 5 is not a normal business practice but it has been a very effective “name and shame” tactic for us in N.Z. to date. There is no reason it can not work on a global scale. With widespread support its effectiveness should help protect our industry to some degree against the breakdown of goodwill , we all work hard for this but can be undone easily by a few unethical marketers.
It will only be termed as an ” ethics boycott ” so legal problems will be nil.
This is all I propose at the moment. Further ideas should be put forward in due course by any signed member. I have a few myself but they can wait. For us to explore the options of coming together to someday form a respected organization , we first must agree on some basics.
For this commitment I will….
(1) Put up a I.V.T.R.B. website for all members to advertise on free of charge. Giving everbody who agrees with these standards, non-stop promotion as a safe place for consumers to visit . I know how to do this and draw large numbers to the site , with it’s purpose to creat goodwill for any company involved due to the obvious support of its peers.
(2) We will give industry backup including referals of sales .
(3) Supply a I.V.T.R.B. label stating your company is involved in a voluntary regulating safety body , that can be desplayed in your advertising .
(4) Through the website investigate consumer and vendor complaints .
The below list of companies/individuals have signed already and others are invited to do so as well…..
Lloyd Shaw & Judith Shorrock
Vibra-Train Ltd & Vibration Training Ltd.
( Manufacturor )Charles R Balcom- CEO
Style For Life Inc.
http://www.ToneErgize.com ( U.S.A.)Excelleration Training Studio Ltd
Linda RiordanMike And Tracy Hair
Vibratone Health Studio
( Quality-Vibes / HyperGravity )Wayne & Derina Campbell
Campbell & Sons LimitedPhil & Eileen Dayson
Daysonz LimitedJulie & Michael Williams
Vibe Otago LimitedLen & Mary Collins
Lemar Holdings LimitedJerry & Fiona Clayton
Vibra-Health LimitedKevin & Haana Barker
Vibra Life LimitedCathy, Julia & Phillipa Petch
Vibra-Boost LimitedPeter & Diana Cussen
Vibra-Fitness LimitedMartyn Comer
Enduro LimitedRichard Haldane & Rikeeta Tarak
Vibra-Tech LimitedCarol Manion
Tauranga Vibra-Health 2007 LtdAnne Russell & Coralie Lett
Wanganui Vibe LimitedBrendon Hart & Stephanie Lee
Vibraworks LimitedWikeepa Rewharewha, Susan Fiu & Diana Russell
Kumara ConnectionsChrystal Orr ( Contract Head Trainer )
Thomas Redmond & Marilyn Dey
VT Fitness PTY LimitedKelly Riwhi
Vibration Training PTY LimitedJonathan Hyams
Medvibe LLC ( U.S.A )- Keith
May 8th, 2008Asked and answered, thank you. Looking forward to the web site.
Hi Anna,
Earlier you asked about the Evolution. If you’re referring to our machine (Vibration Health Solutions), I’ll address your question here:
We designed our own machine after becoming disillusioned with one that we were getting from Korea. The failure rate was too high. As Lloyd correctly observes, only time will tell if our machines last as long as we expect. But I can say this – I used the design data from the manufacturers of the bearings to ensure that the machine is good for 7 days per week, 10 hours per day for three years before it needs a service. At that point a service will require regreasing some bearings and possibly changing some bearings. For less demanding use, the machine will become a financial write-off long before it wears out. Our machine has been designed without compromise, but we haven’t gone overboard. The engineering comes first, and then we worry about the costs.I don’t know where you are located, but for now we’re only selling locally so that we can monitor the machines and provide support as required.
Lloyd, if Anna is talking about our machine, then your comment of April 14 is incorrect. The Evolution is our first design. We have others in the works that use the same pure vertical, low impact technology but none of those are in production yet.
Anna, if you have a question about our machine, please feel free to contact me directly. I will help you decide if our machine will suite your needs or if you are better off with another one. I’ll be happy to walk away from the deal if I’m not convinced that you will feel good about the decision a year from now. I’d rather have a happy customer than a quick sale.
Cheers
Andy- Anna
May 20th, 2008Hi Lloyd,
I have received my GYM-O-VIBE Monday, have already used it twice. I am unsure whether I should be following their program or shall I be following your program. Can I purchse your program and poster ?
regards,
Anna The Evolution discussed earlier is Vibro-Gyms new model. Which is also something else I mentioned.
This clash of names is going to cause confusion. And with the amount of pre-marketing Vibro-Gym have done since 2007 regarding its release , I could see a fight coming.
Call me regarding this.
Anna…
Follow my program ,get it free with instructions by going to my website. I can only “sell” my posters to Vibra-Train licensees due to legal reasons.
- Anna
May 20th, 2008Hi Lloyd,
I have printed instructions and colour poses off your website and I understand your concerns with regards to
the poster. Thank you for all your assistance.Is your email regarding Vibro-Gym’s Evolution addressed to me ?
regards,
Anna

April 13th, 2008
Hi Lloyd,
In your article, The Professional has commercial life expectation of 2-3 years - would you know the commercial life expectation for the Evolution ?
regards,
Anna