When Will I See Results?
Carolle asks the following question:
Would 12 minutes 3 times per week with WBV be enough to see results for a person who is 60-100 pounds overweight. How long would it take to see results?
And would 15 minutes 3 times per week with WBV be all you would need to stay in shape once you reach your goal. Would a person need to have another workout system other than WBV.
3 sessions of approx 10 minutes (whole body workout) on a good quality device with a well thought out program should have you seeing results (of some form or another) in 3 weeks. The results for most people are consistent but I have seen it also happen it happen in waves. This can be put down to the “putting on muscle then losing body fat” cycle the body seems to get into
when doing any form of resistance training.
Note: Watching the scales is a bad move, looking in the mirror nude is; it’s a good clear indication things are changing (no do not send us pictures to ask us our opinion, we are not that kind of site).
Once You Reach Your Target
Doing Vibration Training by itself should allow you to maintain your results, and if you have access to more advanced units continue the positive changes. However it is not very clever to just rely on this technology instead of using your newfound strength and basic fitness to achieve a more active way of life.
Remember this is primarily like doing weights, your heart will still need voluntary exercise to stay fit.
“A body change is of little use if the mind does not follow.”
46 Comments
Carolle,
Dj Heap has it down. I will be writing fitness tips on my site about this soon.
The concept is simple— FITENSS = DIET + EXCERCISE
WBV is only one part of the total excercise in that eqaution. You need to create a calorie deficit in your diet to drop weight. WBV will increase your muscle growth which in turn may boost your resting metabolic rate ( caliories you burn while inactive– sleeping is a good example). Your results will only be as good as your level of commitment. Stay focused when performing your WBV routine.
If you want to see even faster results, go for atleast a 30 minute walk first thing in the morning before you eat. Studies show that this jump starts your metabolism for the day and will have you burning more calories.On to your diet– When shopping stick to the outsides of the grocery store. All of the natural foods are strategically placed there. Try to eat 4-7 well balanced meals a day. Snack on things like raw almonds, berries, granola, and lean protiens.
I find that precooking healthy food for the week makes eating healthy much easier. If you have the healthy food already prepared for you, you will be less temtped to go out and eat crap when you get too lazy to cook.
Stay strong and you will see huge results.
- KG
November 9th, 2007Jon H.,
Where/what country of origin is your unit manufactured?
Where are the parts manufactured?KG
- KG
November 11th, 2007Di/Lloyd,
Wanted your take on something I recently encountered at a personal training studio that utilizes WBV and its injury implications or lack thereof….
As Lloyd has commented and is pretty well known regarding WBV is the benefit that can be achieved by sitting on the unit(in accordance with Lloyd’s directives) to reduce cellulite on women(back of legs, rear etc) I say women because I’m not sure men get cellulite(an exception may be Donald Trump) .
Anyway, this approach is very popular and word has spread regarding this benefit and the demand is high.
So high that women can and do come in for their 3x per week workout but can also come in in between full WBV workouts for a quick 2 or 3 minute sit only.
It seems with proper positioning and 2-3 minutes the “cellulite sit” would be pretty harmless…
but I wanted your opinion on the situation. Maybe I am missing something and even limited exposure to vibration everyday or almost everyday could be too much.Thanks,
KG
The reasons I do not let woman just use the machines for just massage are..
(1) I do not want the mentality of ” I can just sit and massage my weight away” to ever be a problem. It must be continually pointed out that without the workout the massage does not work.
(2) Some of the more powerfull units I believe may cause damage to tissue if overused.
- Di
November 12th, 2007KG I have quite a few comments on this:
1. It’s a lazy attitude for women to think they can just sit on the machine every day instead of doing some other activity like going for a walk.
2. Proper positioning is just as essential in this position as in the others. I feel the vibrations into my lower spine if I am out of position even a little, so every day would increase any risk involved.
3. This position on a high quality machine isn’t the most pleasant feeling. On Lloyd’s machine’s women complain that it feels like their bladder or bowels will move. It’s just the sensation - it doesn’t happen But why would they want to feel this weird every day. It also can cause (harmless) itchiness in the buttocks and legs.
4. Please don’t let men sit on the machine!! You can work out the reason for yourself. *laughs*
5. 2-3 times a week is safe and effective and that’s what I do.
KG,
The machine and its parts are manufactured in Korea. I know LLoyd likes to dog on Asian manufacturing..but the Koreans have been in this industry building WBV a lot longer than Lloyd has. Additionally, I think LLoyd is mostly against Chinese manufacturing.
I say this because Lloyd had contacted me when I was first starting this venture. His goal was to keep me from becoming just another greedy American WBV company. So far I have followed all of his advice including importing my machine. When I began this venture I was importing 2 products to see what I wanted to carry. Lloyd advised me against the FIT X stating that it was manufactured for Koreans not overweight Americans. He took a look at the MVPRO which I currently distribute and gave me the thumbs up. It is a pivotal platform which was tested in a comercial GYM ( LA Fitness in Scottsdale).
Even after placing a 400 lb man on there it did not fault what so ever. The interface is easy to use. The platform has 35 levels of intensity adjustment and has been working very well for me.
Question for all of you bloggers– Have you all read the recent study about vibration applied to rats?
There is nothing in this study that all of us who blog this site don’t already know. It seems like the scientific community is working backwards to validate a proven technology that has been utilized for decades. They claim that they will begin these studies on humans shortly to help with the effects of osteopenia and osteporosis.
Isn’t that what all of us in the WBV world have spent so much time doing?
The Koreans have a much higher standard of engineering and do not seem to put up factories unless they are attempting to gain a long term market.
That does not mean all Korean manufacturors are good.
I hope this shows I will back any company building or tradng in a good product. My concerns are not specific to one region.
- Carolle
November 14th, 2007I am thinking of starting a small business with whole body vibration. I wondered if I need some sort of degree to operate the machine for clients.
No , at the moment there is no independent qualification to operate these products. Some companies offer an in-house cert. but in my opinion this is actually an unsafe practice and tends to be more sales than science.
- John Weatherly
November 14th, 2007Yes, certifications in the exercise area are “more sales than science” in my view too. I would like to see licensure!
- martiza
November 14th, 2007Yes, there is no really a certification. Evenmore, if someone buys a machine the trainning is not included. I received the trainning (which I had to pay) with a person but it is not a real trainning, it is a way for the trainner to make money but at least you understand a little bit what is wbvt. The person who really has helped me has been Lloyd and the only way to really understand the concept about wbv is through this site and through http://www.vibra-train. I take a little bit of time everyday to read and I am an ignorant in this but now I am understanding the concept a little bit more.Try to follow Loyd’s advices and you will see results. I am really doing the bullet 3 times a week and now I am starting to see results. I really started myself 3 weeks ago and it is amazing the changes you start to see in the body as well the way you feel. I own an Anti-aging Day Spa in a country where people do not kow about this technologie and of course in order to sell this concept I need to promote it by first demostrating it works. Power Plate was introduced 2 months (before I introduced Fitvibe) in a gym which is 1 mile from my place and nobody is doing it because first the did’nt train the personal trainners and second they let people do the routine by themselves for 1 hour “dynamic”. They are crazy and why? Because the companies are more interested is sales than in people´s safety and health. I understand that dyamic could be performed after a period of time and with care but this is where Lloyd needs to teach and guide us .
Lloyd we need you in the world , trainning people. We urgently need your knowledge and guidance . Why don´t you plan a 3 days full time trainning at least in USA every 6 months and you can help many people with your knowledge and experience. I know your classes will be full.
It is about getting enough people with actual power in the industry together that think along the same lines.
I have found that alot of academics/health pros involved in Vibration Training only want regulation if they can make a profit from it.
I have seen the result of this kind of behaviour in N.Z. where we have a “Registered Exercise” group that is in my opinion a complete joke , giving people a “qualification” for a fee. Even claiming at one point its trainers were qualified in Vibration Training because they knew basic exercise presciption ?
Thats right up there with those offers of ” Uni Degree based on life experience ” I keep getting in my e-mail.I will put every effort I can into creating a good industry standard whilst making sure those types of useless bureaucrates never get a hold on our industry.
Be patient Martiza..
In this industry it will our biggest virtue. I have a plan to allow free education to the entire world. All that will be required is a thirst for knowledge.
In the mean time stick to what you know , gain confidence , and let PowerPlate jump around like the idiots they are.
Remember and understand this line…..
” relax and hold your pose”
- martiza
November 15th, 2007I will add a word: relax, enjoy and hold you pose!!!
This is because I enjoy a lot the time I dedicate to do this type of training that only takes 15 min. and I am seeing results not only in my body but also I feel energized.By the way, how can I obtain a “bullet” poster? I need it in a poster size for people to look exactly the poses. Of course I printed in a paper but it is not the same.
- jenny
November 19th, 2007I was told that power plates can be very bad for the eyes, specially the retin, is this true
Jenny…
Are you asking weather using a Power Plate is risky or if Vibration Training is risky ?
A few points….
(1) Using any uncalibrated/badly built machine may be harmfull. Not just PowerPlate. They are just the most famous case of “cheap and nasty” to be released. There are worse models around.
(2) If a retina problem pre-exists then it would not be advisable to do Vibration Training of any sort, but then jogging would also be out. Non-impact exercise only. ( It is the same as running is not bad for you , but running with a bad heart is )
(3) Vibration Training itself has not been shown to cause a problem.
(4) The resonance Fq of the eyes is 60-90hz which could in theory be dangerous, but no machine I know of runs that fast.
A PowerPlate owner once sent out a letter saying any other machine could and would “explode your eyeballs”.
I quickly asked for some evidence of this , maybe some spectacular video footage , but fortunatly it was just PowerPlate lying to the public , again.
- Ritchie Haldane
November 29th, 2007My advice to anyone thinking about starting a vibration training business is this: listen to Lloyd, he actually gives good advice to the competition. Advice that could have saved a few of them their houses. Its okay to become part of Vibra-Train, or even go into competition with them. But its not advisable to go into business unless the machines that will drive your business are going to last. Again for those that are hard of hearing: the gear being built and sold by salesman is not up to running a studio for any length of time. So even if you have the knowledge, backing, and all the factors right, and even if you get your studio cranking with numbers…..you still have to have the gear thats going to perform up to commercial expectations. Lets do an equation for all you perspective people looking at the becoming owners:
Say you have a machine in your studio, How many workouts should it do per day? For arguments sake lets say 25. (This may seem low but lets go with the minimum that machine should do if you had say 3 and they were all sharing the workload equally). Lets say you are open 6 days a week not 7. So the basic expectation is that machine will do a mere 150 workouts per week. How long should it last? Well a manufacturer should be able to gurantee it for 10 years. Thats just my opinion but it seems fair. So, in that 10 years that 1 machine does 78,000 workouts. (A machine should really last 20 years too not just 10, but 10 should be a goal for manufacturers, don’t you think). Think about these figures (or make up your own) before you go out and start handing over your money to the sheisters of the world who don’t care a stuff about the industry and are in it for a quick buck.
Hi Lloyd,
I have a question about incorporating lineal and pivotal.
I am considering getting a hypergravity and galileo (both home units)…at least until your centers come to the US.
With the hypergravity, I want to follow your precise positioning charts using 38-50 hz, amp 3-5mm for 10-15 minutes 3x a week.
OK, so how can I incorporate pivotal… Since this targets smaller muscle groups would 1 time a week be enough? How you incorporate the two together? Alternate weeks maybe? Is pivotal safe for upper body positions?
Thanks
Bryant MeyersOne More Question,
What positions do you recommend on pivotal machines?
Can you use the same workout plan and guidelines as is on http://www.vibra-train.com?
Or is it a different strategy all together?
Thanks
BryantI would work it Lineal one session Pivotal the next. Any other way and your exposure level would get high very quickly.
I have been working on the Pivotal Safety program for a little while , but been very busy. As I do not run Pivotal systems in my studio network I am lacking the shear man hours and customers it takes to finalise things. I am working closely with Mike Hair ( Vibra-Tone ) to get this right.
Eg…… I strongly oppose just standing on the unit lock-legged for up to 5 mins as some companies promote.But it would seem the position order will be similar to the Lineal program. My biggest problem has been looking at the design of most Pivotal machines and working within those restrictions .
Eg… Safe tricep dips may be impossible with most designs.
My advice is to follow pose # 1 , 2 , 3 , 5 and 9 twice through on Pivotal ( 15hz ) just to start with .
Thanks Llyod,
Currently I just have the Noblerex K-1 pivotal from Korea. I will say that I have tried 4 different pivotal systems and its the second best to vibraflex/galileo I have tried. Much better then the other cheaper oriental units (like vibratrim / vibraslim/ slimvibes/ crazyfit)
The frequency range on the unit is 7 - 25 hz (true). I measured myself. And I verified the amplitude to be 13mm min to max or 6.5mm from equilibrium to max.
My next purchase is a lineal (probably hypergravity), then i’ll upgrade my pivotal to vibraflex/galileo.
Anyway, One comment…
I did 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9 (on k1) and they all felt great (I did this before I read your post which is why I did not exclude any). I will say the pelvic stability was the only position that was uncomfortable. With the pelvic stability, my neck felt weird and a little out of balance. I read your instructions carefully… Just so you know, the tricep and forward bend seemed fine though you did not mention them as did the cellulite (i did only 1 minute). Intuitively I knew the lunge would not be good on pivotal.I also did pushup and shoulder press which seemed ok.
Any reason you do not include some of the positions on pivotal (besides the lunge which would be obviously awkward)?
Please keep us posted of any updates on exercise- sequence/duration/safety issues, etc with the pivotal systems.
I like the idea of alternating one then the other… That really gives a great variation and combines the best of both worlds (pivotal and lineal).
Thanks Kindly for your time and insight,
Regards,
Bryant MeyersThe reason I left out the tricep dip was some machines like Galileo have no front edge to work off , and I didnt see if being safe without this. Having hands flat but bent backwards could cause tendon issues.
- Jeanette
December 16th, 2007Hi - I have bought a Crazy Fit massage machine - is this product suitable for weight loss and toning and all the other things it claims - mine is a 50 speed machine? Or are these machines that are sold on E-Bay etc just a gimmick?
- paulette sherod
January 3rd, 2008I’m wanting to start a business using the vibration machine I purchased how would I market it?
- Di Heap
January 3rd, 2008Start by reading EVERY article and all the posts on this site.
Learn and learn and learn some more. Only Then come back and ask any questions.
What kind of machine is it ?
Knowing this is important , as using the wrong advertising with the wrong product would set you up to fail.
- paulette sherod
January 4th, 2008I purchased the hpergravity.
Good choice , no real limitations that come with the unit . I notice you read my article on what you are taking on..
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/09/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-vibration-training-industry
My advice is to advertise using statements like…
” Try Vibration Training at ( your name ) on the all steel Hypergravity ”
Then list only a few of the key benifits you want to target. Do not listen to advertisers that want you to list every single benifit .
Do you have any competition in your area or are you the first ?
- Fern Goh
March 6th, 2008Hello Lloyd,
I have read most of your blog & learned the dangers inappropriate machines. Got some nice effects trying OTO in Asia (tried 6 times), but want to try the real lineal vibration training. Is Vibra-train in US? If yes, where? If not, is “hypergravity” still the prefered option or is there anything else you reccomend? I am looking for therapy & training/ domestic. I live in New York City.Suppose if I pay $4000 for the machine & I plateau in 8 mths, would it mean my machine will be useless after 8 mths or I can breakthrough the plateau & get better fitness on the same machine?
Thanks for your help.
Hello Fern,
You were lucky with OTO FLABeLOS. Several of my friends and colleagues and, we all got motion sickness syptom after short trial at OTO sales counters. In my wife and my cases, we only stood on it for 20 seconds.
Also OTO’s sales personnels are poorly trained, we pretended to be newcomers to this training for the very first time, their sales personnels suggested us not to hold the handle for better result. And they said this was a good training for elderly.
In my opinion, a good training counts on both good hardware and software. Hardware is of course the machine; software means knowledge. OTO and many other Asian so-called healthcare products are lack of both.
TC
HyperGravity is a good choice for the U.S. , we have no studios over there yet.
The problem with a cheaper unit is not just the plateau in results that happens after a while , because any training is obviously better than none and the machine may hold off the weight , but not moving forward can crash your mental attitude towards training , and that makes it just too easy to give up.
If a plateau is reached , the temptation to go into extreme/unsafe poses or extended training times on the machines is too much for most people , they will risk their health to get the results they think the machine should give them.
- Anna
March 6th, 2008Hi Lloyd,
Is one likely to plateau on a Hypergravity Gym-O-Vibe ?
Anna
Based on pure theory…..
All machines have a plateau point.
Reality…..
In 10 years it will still be kicking your ass.
- Fern Goh
March 7th, 2008Really appreciate your comments & the work you do. Hypergravity it is.
- cat
March 19th, 2008i have been using Vibrogym for a couple of months now under the instruction of a trainer at the Vibrotone centre here. When I first started using it (3-4 times per week) I found I felt really weak, and dropped both fat and muscle. I felt pretty tired and despite being “smaller” I didn’t feel myself feeling stronger. I wasn’t eating anything prior to my workouts, which wouldn’t have helped.
I spoke to the trainer about it and she suggested I start eating more carbs and protein via Protein Suppements. She suggested I have porridge prior to my workout in the morning as fuel and then follow up vibro-gym workouts with protein powder.
I did my due diligence on the powder (I have taken protein powder in the past) and purchased one recommended from GNC - I think its called ISO Protein Powder – it’s the lowest in carbs. Its been about three weeks now and I have been using the Vibro-gym around 4 times per week and taking the powder 1-2 scoops of powder per day. While I have felt much stronger during workouts I have stacked on fat. I have been so busy I haven’t really noticed it, but today when putting on my jeans (my “fat jeans” – not so fat at a size 11, but fat for me), I couldn’t put them on. I don’t weigh myself and wouldn’t dare do so, because id probably get the shock of my life.
The trainer at Vibro gym highlighted to me this morning that I have put on weight, and suggested it may be either over-training (ir hypothyroidism) or too much protein powder. She also said that too many vibrogym workouts can lead to hypo-thyroidism. Prior to this weight gain issue, I was planning on asking your thoughts on how many times per week one could train on the vibrogym without it being too many. We work out 6 days per week anyway, and were hoping to supplement our regular weight sessions with 20min vibrogym sessions (plus massage)
So im a bit baffled. I have studied nutrition, so know how to eat right. I’ll obviously be cutting right back on the protein powder to just one scoop post workout, but my instinct is going to be to use the vibrogym everyday as soon as it arrives (as well as regular cardio) to lose this weight ASAP. Feeling pretty uncomfortable with my spare tyre, and would like to drop this ASAP without losing muscle as I did when I first started vibro-gym
November 7th, 2007
While I agree that “watching for a weight change on the scales” is a bad move, looking in the mirror nude????
From a female perspective, that’s also a very bad move
Way too scary as we are very discriminating. What were you thinking to even suggest that!
The best gauge of positive body shape change (fat loss, muscle gain) is when your jeans become a bit loser and no longer hug your body so snuggly and your top becomes lose fitting and this only takes a few weeks.
Now Lloyd, this is the correct way to explain to women about body shape change. It also involves a “Shopping Session” - an excuse, not that we need one, to gather up girlfriends and go to the mall and visit all the Clothing Stores. It’s even more fun if you can hide your purchases on your partner’s CreditCard but even paying for yourself, it’s so worthwhile.
Just a bit of advice for those wanting to lose weight.
After your WBV training session you will probably feel hungry. Drink water and eat something sensible (protein, fruit,veg). Don’t use your training session as an excuse to pig-out on cream cakes or chocolate. We all do it but try not to do that everytime or your progress, like mine, will be slower. (Surprisingly, maybe, you do still change body shape and composition)