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		<title>By: Di</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/vibration-training-for-long-distance-runners/#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Results from 12km race last Sunday. A hard course off road on walking trail beside a river with some sections on road and some on footpath/sidewalk. It was in another city and local runners have some advantage on the course. In hot,sunny conditions Greg came in 100th of 1200 runners in just over 54mins, not as fast as he&#039;d hoped but again two minutes faster than previously. The fastest runner in his age group did 10mins faster than him but his result is still extremely good on that course His result 14th of 104 in grade.

Again, he credits wbv with helping his stamina.

I came in 58th of 212 in my grade which is a reasonable result for me.

Conclusions can be considered to be anecdotal - that using a quality wbv machine helps us both with endurance/stamina for these events but it is certain that something is helping.. we cannot find enough time to running train and the way to do fast times in running is to run and run and run. We aren&#039;t doing that yet we&#039;ve both reduced our race times despite being a year older.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Results from 12km race last Sunday. A hard course off road on walking trail beside a river with some sections on road and some on footpath/sidewalk. It was in another city and local runners have some advantage on the course. In hot,sunny conditions Greg came in 100th of 1200 runners in just over 54mins, not as fast as he&#8217;d hoped but again two minutes faster than previously. The fastest runner in his age group did 10mins faster than him but his result is still extremely good on that course His result 14th of 104 in grade.</p>
<p>Again, he credits wbv with helping his stamina.</p>
<p>I came in 58th of 212 in my grade which is a reasonable result for me.</p>
<p>Conclusions can be considered to be anecdotal &#8211; that using a quality wbv machine helps us both with endurance/stamina for these events but it is certain that something is helping.. we cannot find enough time to running train and the way to do fast times in running is to run and run and run. We aren&#8217;t doing that yet we&#8217;ve both reduced our race times despite being a year older.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The soreness is just the nerves receiving signals from surrounding tissue thats under pressure while the vibrations pass through them. No concern unless the pain continues while off the unit.

Keep the treatment up , do not let her push it though ,  the more she is relaxed the better it will work.


&quot;Your back is always a long term project&quot; so no hurry right ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The soreness is just the nerves receiving signals from surrounding tissue thats under pressure while the vibrations pass through them. No concern unless the pain continues while off the unit.</p>
<p>Keep the treatment up , do not let her push it though ,  the more she is relaxed the better it will work.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your back is always a long term project&#8221; so no hurry right ?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI Guys

A report back.

After her second stretch treatment she had her first uninterrupted sleep without pain last night. She has just had her 3rd treatment with a little bit of residual soreness in the affected area while on the machine.

Do we still carry on for the full 2 weeks?

From being a sceptic her remark after yesterdays session was &quot;I want one of these too&quot;. I think her husband is going to have to do some serious saving for a rather large Xmas present.

Thanks Lloyd, small steps but you are nevertheless having an effect here as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Guys</p>
<p>A report back.</p>
<p>After her second stretch treatment she had her first uninterrupted sleep without pain last night. She has just had her 3rd treatment with a little bit of residual soreness in the affected area while on the machine.</p>
<p>Do we still carry on for the full 2 weeks?</p>
<p>From being a sceptic her remark after yesterdays session was &#8220;I want one of these too&#8221;. I think her husband is going to have to do some serious saving for a rather large Xmas present.</p>
<p>Thanks Lloyd, small steps but you are nevertheless having an effect here as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lloyd,

She did her first stretch this morning for 4 mins and felt easier afterwards. I will keep you updated as it progresses. There was no pain as such whilst stretching just soreness which I ascribed to the length of time the condition has persisted.

Her massage person suggested sleeping with a tennis ball under her back on the spot where the pain is?

She finds difficulty sleeping at night and tries to find different positions where the pain isn&#039;t so evident but seemingly with not much success.

MikeyB

Thanks for the input. She bent forward and backward and the most pain was felt bending backward so I was quite comfortable with Lloyds advice for exercise 6.

The remark about the pecs getting smaller was just a self deprecating joke at my own expense because you guys are light years ahead of me and I have a lot of serious catching up to do. Remember I&#039;ve only had my machine for 2 months.

Best to you both</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lloyd,</p>
<p>She did her first stretch this morning for 4 mins and felt easier afterwards. I will keep you updated as it progresses. There was no pain as such whilst stretching just soreness which I ascribed to the length of time the condition has persisted.</p>
<p>Her massage person suggested sleeping with a tennis ball under her back on the spot where the pain is?</p>
<p>She finds difficulty sleeping at night and tries to find different positions where the pain isn&#8217;t so evident but seemingly with not much success.</p>
<p>MikeyB</p>
<p>Thanks for the input. She bent forward and backward and the most pain was felt bending backward so I was quite comfortable with Lloyds advice for exercise 6.</p>
<p>The remark about the pecs getting smaller was just a self deprecating joke at my own expense because you guys are light years ahead of me and I have a lot of serious catching up to do. Remember I&#8217;ve only had my machine for 2 months.</p>
<p>Best to you both</p>
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		<title>By: MikeyB</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/vibration-training-for-long-distance-runners/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry what I meant so far is I have only outlined stretches.
The exercises she would eed to do depend on many things so i wont get into that.
pretty much if it hurts dont do it, if it relieves the pain do that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry what I meant so far is I have only outlined stretches.<br />
The exercises she would eed to do depend on many things so i wont get into that.<br />
pretty much if it hurts dont do it, if it relieves the pain do that</p>
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		<title>By: MikeyB</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/vibration-training-for-long-distance-runners/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith why would your pecs be getting smaller.
The Pecs are the Major muscle when doing the press up.

As for your Lats thats a bit harder. Doing the Tricep dip with nearly straight arms and depressing the shoulders (pulling them back and down) should activate your Lats.

As for your friend with the frozen spine does it hurt for her to bend forward or to bend back.

If it hurts for her to bend forward (which means she slouches at her lower back flexing her spine when sitting etc) then bending over like exercise No.6 would make it worse and disc may protrude further out the back. So she would need to do the opposite which is Back extension exercises.

If it hurts when she bends backward (back extension) then exercise 6 will be perfect. as she will need to do the opposite which is bending over and touching her toes.

As for the exercises ill leave that up to the physio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith why would your pecs be getting smaller.<br />
The Pecs are the Major muscle when doing the press up.</p>
<p>As for your Lats thats a bit harder. Doing the Tricep dip with nearly straight arms and depressing the shoulders (pulling them back and down) should activate your Lats.</p>
<p>As for your friend with the frozen spine does it hurt for her to bend forward or to bend back.</p>
<p>If it hurts for her to bend forward (which means she slouches at her lower back flexing her spine when sitting etc) then bending over like exercise No.6 would make it worse and disc may protrude further out the back. So she would need to do the opposite which is Back extension exercises.</p>
<p>If it hurts when she bends backward (back extension) then exercise 6 will be perfect. as she will need to do the opposite which is bending over and touching her toes.</p>
<p>As for the exercises ill leave that up to the physio.</p>
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		<title>By: Di Heap</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/vibration-training-for-long-distance-runners/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>Di Heap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 06:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic or maybe Not! Just re-checked my 1/4marathon time results (don&#039;t try looking for it. I used a different surname as I had a pre-entry into the 1/2). Well, I did 10 whole minutes faster than the only other person who shared my surname and they are over 20years younger than me *does a happy dance*.

So, why did I do so well? Not by having a good body as I&#039;m still somewhat overweight. Not by serious run training as I didn&#039;t do much. The only contributing factor apart from &quot;hard work on the day&quot; is Vibration Training, which over time has given me heaps of stamina to keep on going, maintaining a (fairly slow) steady pace thoughout the event.

It&#039;ll be trialled again next weekend. It&#039;s raining again today; the first day I&#039;ve been fit enough and able to get out for a long run, so we went to the mall instead. Next Sunday Greg and I have a running event in another city. It&#039;s unlikely I&#039;ll get more than one run during this week. Greg will get two or three. We&#039;ll both do vibration training as our lead up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic or maybe Not! Just re-checked my 1/4marathon time results (don&#8217;t try looking for it. I used a different surname as I had a pre-entry into the 1/2). Well, I did 10 whole minutes faster than the only other person who shared my surname and they are over 20years younger than me *does a happy dance*.</p>
<p>So, why did I do so well? Not by having a good body as I&#8217;m still somewhat overweight. Not by serious run training as I didn&#8217;t do much. The only contributing factor apart from &#8220;hard work on the day&#8221; is Vibration Training, which over time has given me heaps of stamina to keep on going, maintaining a (fairly slow) steady pace thoughout the event.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be trialled again next weekend. It&#8217;s raining again today; the first day I&#8217;ve been fit enough and able to get out for a long run, so we went to the mall instead. Next Sunday Greg and I have a running event in another city. It&#8217;s unlikely I&#8217;ll get more than one run during this week. Greg will get two or three. We&#8217;ll both do vibration training as our lead up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith...

You friend with the sore back should repeat number 6 ( approx 4 mins ) on the workout chart,  every day for 2 weeks. Then enter the program gently with extra stretches in between poses.

Their are proper Physio poses used for back work but they cannot be done on most machines due to improper shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith&#8230;</p>
<p>You friend with the sore back should repeat number 6 ( approx 4 mins ) on the workout chart,  every day for 2 weeks. Then enter the program gently with extra stretches in between poses.</p>
<p>Their are proper Physio poses used for back work but they cannot be done on most machines due to improper shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/vibration-training-for-long-distance-runners/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Di,every time we train at home we check the poster and read the instructions before starting even though we are used to the exercises now. I for one have always taken risks and tried new and different things but with wbv, I promise you, it&#039;s been straight down the line &quot;bullet exercises and nothing else.

The same with the video, view each exercise before starting and not while on the machine.

SA is not up to scratch with wbv except for maybe a few that Lloyd has communicated with and more people will be buying these machines as the concept gains in popularity. So I&#039;m thinking for home and not studio use even though I&#039;m sure some lazy studio owners might eventually get their paws on it. That in itself come to think of it would actually not be too bad because then at least the right poses would be introduced into those studios?

Visual dynamic demonstration will be more powerful than just the poster although that in itself has been a godsend for those of us wishing to do things in what we deem the proper manner...... and now that you mention those beautiful chicks.... do you think he could use a different one for each exercise?

This most probably is all pie in the sky but it&#039;s nice thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Di,every time we train at home we check the poster and read the instructions before starting even though we are used to the exercises now. I for one have always taken risks and tried new and different things but with wbv, I promise you, it&#8217;s been straight down the line &#8220;bullet exercises and nothing else.</p>
<p>The same with the video, view each exercise before starting and not while on the machine.</p>
<p>SA is not up to scratch with wbv except for maybe a few that Lloyd has communicated with and more people will be buying these machines as the concept gains in popularity. So I&#8217;m thinking for home and not studio use even though I&#8217;m sure some lazy studio owners might eventually get their paws on it. That in itself come to think of it would actually not be too bad because then at least the right poses would be introduced into those studios?</p>
<p>Visual dynamic demonstration will be more powerful than just the poster although that in itself has been a godsend for those of us wishing to do things in what we deem the proper manner&#8230;&#8230; and now that you mention those beautiful chicks&#8230;. do you think he could use a different one for each exercise?</p>
<p>This most probably is all pie in the sky but it&#8217;s nice thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Di</title>
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		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha hahahahaha
ooh not with me in it. I do not look the part unless you want one of a craggy old lady LOL

But Lloyd has plenty of beautiful chicks who come into his studio who I&#039;m sure would agree to star in a video especially if the Instructor is a good looker.

Actually your idea is a good one. It could show several people of differing ages and be quite an encouragement in showing how to get into the various positions. But no movie can replace an excellent Instructor and I fear a video could be used even in a studio instead of proper instruction. It&#039;s too easy to pop on the DVD and try to exercise while watching it - too dangerous I think. At least with a poster you have to really study the position before attempting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha hahahahaha<br />
ooh not with me in it. I do not look the part unless you want one of a craggy old lady LOL</p>
<p>But Lloyd has plenty of beautiful chicks who come into his studio who I&#8217;m sure would agree to star in a video especially if the Instructor is a good looker.</p>
<p>Actually your idea is a good one. It could show several people of differing ages and be quite an encouragement in showing how to get into the various positions. But no movie can replace an excellent Instructor and I fear a video could be used even in a studio instead of proper instruction. It&#8217;s too easy to pop on the DVD and try to exercise while watching it &#8211; too dangerous I think. At least with a poster you have to really study the position before attempting it.</p>
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