John has asked some pretty basic questions to Scott Hopson ( Director of Power Plate Education and Research ) but recieved no answers since the 22/8.

But Scott has been logged on a number of times over that period. It would seems he does not know as much as he claims.

What a surprise.

But it was read over 800 times so thats a major chunk of their readers. Thats going to have a trickle down effect.

I sent a message to their admin pointing out that discussions about drug cheats where posters name athletes , coaches and companies , who have only been accused is allowed. But we cant talk about something factual ?

“Rotten to the coreperformance”

Says it all I think.

#37 Today, 06:17 PM
Mike Hair
Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1

purpose of this forum?

As an independent studio owner that has a hugh interest in the vibration training industry I think that this forum is valuable for reaching the masses and letting them know the truth about WBV.
If somebody exposes the truth about faulty products and unethical behavior, should that be taken as a personal grudge?
I have personally seen and felt the devastation that silence and unethical behavior can cause with both time and finances.
If a company is selling faulty products and attaching false claims then the public have a right to know don’t you think? This nearly cost me and my family their livelihood. (please no sympathy votes)
It is not fair to both the industry nor the athletes to be lied to by flashy marketing.

Regards
Mike

#38 Today, 07:01 PM
Lloyd Shaw
Member Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 50

David M. Bazett-Jones statements regarding Power Plate tests..

David M. Bazett-Jones
July 18th, 2007

“As far as having “engineering reports” done on machines, I would argue that it is the ethical responsibility of the manufacturer to do this testing and report the results.”

“I agree that all plates should be tested before………I can only wish that I thought of this prior to doing this study.”

“This was years of planning, testing, and analyzing that I put in to this project. I could not account for limitations in the study that I was not aware of at that time.”

“As I had said previously, the limitations of our measurements and the platform are presented in the paper”

“I own the results and will publish them how I like, whether or not Power Plate likes the results or not.”

Ask yourself people , what happened to this report ?

Scott Hopson says I had…… ” great communication with David Bazzett Jones and not once has he reported such unethical concerns”

But he told us ?

“I can even tell you that i spent a couple of years in great communication with David Bazzett Jones and not once has he reported such unethical concerns. Indeed David has continuously expressed gratitude for the product, support and comunication with Power Plate – even requesting more support as his studies progress. If the readers called David they would learn of this too. David presented and published his paper at, and with, the NSCA in 2007. Nowhere in his paper did it mention product fault or incorrect magnitudes of force, etc.

Good on you David , you let everybody down.

He will be remembered for …

“I do not know the circumstances in this matter of which you speak.”

Which is basically what he said to every question he was asked.

Thanks Scott!

I did doubt that the Swedish Power Plate manager was being truthful when he said that Power Plate are allowed to use the NASA seal in marketing.

#25 Today, 07:07 AM
ScottH_APE
Director of Power Plate Education and Research, Athletes Performance Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 15

Tim,

That is certaily not truthful if a distributor said that. Sorry to hear that they told you otherwise. I dont know their cr***stances for believing so. Could be honest mistake. Maybe not.

#28 Today, 07:43 AM
ScottH_APE
Director of Power Plate Education and Research, Athletes Performance Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 15

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Hey Lloyd,

I appreciate your messages and concerns. I must say that i really dont feel this forum (or any) can possibly benefit from the direction that this converstation is going. Discussions of ethics, trust, integrity are both subjective and transient. Everyone has their own perspective and reality behind such.

You present your side of these circmstances and i will NOT argue that your experience was otherwise. Only you and the parties involved directly can state otherwise. Likewise, I respectfully ask you extend us, the same level of professional curtesy. You opened your reply to me with the Title “Denial?”. This is both innappropriate and out of tone with the purpose of this forum. You likewise replied on the forum with the Title “Guilty Silence from Core Performance” regarding Power Plate back in July. Opening communication with disrespectful opinions will not foster open and constructive growth.

If every discussion about Vibration Training continues to become a debate about this, it will not elevate to truly impacting on the science and application of this technology / tool.

If you state a list of researchers who claim unethical behavior i wll show you a list of world class peer respected, peer reviewed and published investigators who would argue otherwise. If you show me data with poorly configured product i will show you others that rebuttal…convincingly.If you say there are those that do not trust the technology, i will show you thousands that do and can show hard evidence of results. Isnt this life?

I can even tell you that i spent a couple of years in great communication with David Bazzett Jones and not once has he reported such unethical concerns. Indeed David has continuously expressed gratitude for the product, support and comunication with Power Plate – even requesting more support as his studies progress. If the readers called David they would learn of this too. David presented and published his paper at, and with, the NSCA in 2007. Nowhere in his paper did it mention product fault or incorrect magnitudes of force, etc.

On another note; Clint Rubin sells his own product called Juvent. I have no problems with this and do not think it biases his work. However, can you accuse one company of being biased (because they make money) and yet hold another to another standard? Rubins work is published in the world of vibration. Anyone can reference it in accordance with governing and professional standards.

where does this lead? Certainly NOT to the purpose and objective of this forum.

Personally lloyd – id love to learn and share of your personal experiences. I think such discussions would be better served over a cold beer, rather than a public forum.

Having read your second reply about motor patterning and vibration it is very clear that we agree on many components. Can we not take this shared mind set and help foster real education and clinical practice?

That, Lloyd, is my desire…truly. I have never met you, seen your work, and would not dream of opposing that which I have no experience of. I certainly will not judge or disrespect.

what say we stick to the agenda and get back to what matters

thanks

scott

#34 Today, 01:43 PM
Lloyd Shaw
Member Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 49

Everyone has their own perspective and reality behind such?

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“Everyone has their own perspective and reality behind such ?”

Scott , I was talking about engineering tests , not my perspective or reality , you are speaking like a lawyer not a researcher .

I work in Theory , Development and Production , the 3 parts of this science that must be done properly and honestly before you can do yours , so then people can trust our collective advice.

You do not seem to value the honesty part of that equation. Or you would have engaged with me openly about why alot of athletes who have tried Vibration Training , do not take it seriously.

Companies releasing products that do not function properly and covering it up is a big part of that problem , I have witnessed it myself , and very relevent to this conversation and forum . If the company you represent has done this at any time , you should be impartial and comment openly.

We ask young athletes not to drug cheat but we turn a blind eye to this and then ask for respect ?

We represent the industry Scott , so you failing to discuss it is just not right. And everyone here knows it.

A reminder of ACE B APs own words…..

“Transparency is important for our community– it won’t work without it.”

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#35 Today, 02:01 PM
Lloyd Shaw
Member Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 49

Goodbye..

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I will be leaving this forum now , but my parting post hopefully will give all athletes something to think about…….

This is some of the tactics used to shift product I have witnessed to date , on a global scale , by the company Scott Hopson says is ethical and we should trust. Print it off because it wont stay up long and I expect to be banned for this.

(1) Use Doctors names without permission.

(2) Use Researchers names without permission, even when asked to stop.

(3) Trick a disabled person to get a photo on a Power Plate unit at a tradeshow . They then use it in the Disabled and Supportive Care magazine to try and sell machines to other disabled people. This person laid a complaint and called Power Plate “unscrupulous marketers ” .

(4) Fake celebrity endorsements.

(5) Made in China stickers taken off , Made in Sweden stickers put on.

(6) Swap photos on multiple research papers so the consumer thinks their machine was involved in those tests.

(7) Engineering tests from steel machines tested at a German university attached to plastic Chinese machines.

(8) Attempted sale of a machine not functioning properly to a blind institute.

(9) Injunction attempted by Power Plate to stop information released to the public. They failed which is why you can read this.

Two of the worlds top researchers in Vibration Training have asked to never be associated with the Power Plate name, so this is not one person with a grudge causing a problem for them, these are professionals that know the industry and do not like what Power Plate represents.

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My new website is going to have a feature article on a number of companies along with the names of the individuals who support or actively hide the above behaviour.

It is a shame because some of these people have done good work , but thats not what they will be remembered for. You just made the grade Scott.

” We are judged by the company we keep “