The above article correctly points out these problems with Studies of Whole Body Vibration:

small sample size, questionable methodology, lack of long-term studies, prominence of studies featuring untrained subjects and the lack of a standard WBV training protocol

which is exactly why those who are serious about the industry have been, and are, working on standards for vibration machine quality; also a standard training protocol of excellent instruction using a specific safety-first program adhered to by all.

Sal’s article on the studies is negative and couldn’t be otherwise due to the flaws stated. It’s the disparaging comments against those who are providing a safe, effective training/fitness method that cuts. “WBV Hucksters” he calls us for providing an inexpensive (Sal really needs to research this) option which can work alone or alongside gym and personal training.

Results? I have not seen or heard of one person who has not gained results from training on a high quality platform with the safety-first, whole body program 10 minutes, 2-3x week. People return to Studios after taking a break (travel, work etc) because, alike with regular training, they become deconditioned. [end quote]

I am offended by his tirade and continual slurs and suggestions of WBV being just a money-making scam. I consider myself fully involved in this industry and, to date, I’ve received no money. Obviously people working daily in the industry have to be paid but I’ve yet to see any owner or manufacturer become rich. That will happen (and fair enough too) with business success but for now, altruism is what I’m seeing.

Hell I dont market and I get accused of it.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/18/183120.php

“he not only challenged Sal’s opinion but also got personal about it – repeatedly. It was that which got him banned”

But Sal has openly called me a scam artist, basically dishonest and only out to steal peoples money, a direct attack on me personally that deeply offended me.

Others have been called liars, simple , stupid, hucksters and other names. All personal attacks on their character , not simply opionions. In fact anyone who questions Sals point of view is attacked and gets called something disrespectful.

Admin is meant to be unbiased and balanced. Not support or promote abuse by its staff.

(1) Sal loves Kettle-Bells.

Imagine how frustrated would have felt if a marketing campaign was released right when their potential was being realized ( no decent tests done yet because they were brand new ) by a company that made them out of plastic , with fancy programs attached, but obviously no chance of ever working to someone who understands that without “mass” they are useless.

And on top of that Academics were dumb enough to test them , because they “look” like the real thing.

(2) Price of equipment…?

Using that argument we would not have commercial gyms. They spend thousands on equipment for the consumer to use they could otherwise never afford. And we all know most of the actions that equipment replicates could be done cheaper with free weights , your own body weight , a medicine ball or sometimes just leaning against a wall .

Are you really suggesting that is what we go back to ?

If so it would appear the joke about you being a caveman running around with rocks is not far off the truth.

(3) In N.Z. we don’t charge athletes to use the equipment. It costs them nothing. So your “its too expensive ” argument falls flat. Eg. The N.Z. basketball team the Breakers have requested a unit and will get one free next week. It was not offered as some cheap marketing ploy, they asked, and they still get it for free.

It is not our fault Sal you live in a country where everybody is so greedy they would do nothing for free. Greed at all costs right ?

It is important to point out , it was an AMERICAN marketing company who sold out our industry and went so far as to try and rip off disabled people . So maybe having a closer look at why your system finds that acceptable , and is even promoted by great American fitness companies like AP and CP would be a better use of your time.

Not only is he down to writing articles that are based on research on years old research, but he knows fully well the machines used in that very research were therapy models that failed engineering tests here in N.Z. The researchers didn’t even know to look for in a unit so they got easily duped. All those machines are now broken, I know he knows this because I sent him the tests results and an update on the situation 2 years ago and he replied with a thankyou.

So he either cant read and he didnt want to admit it, or he is being dishonest AGAIN.

My guess is a bit of both. Either way I am going to take great pleasure in hanging him up as the poster boy for , thick as a plank , stuck in last century , typical American jock . Happily digging himself a deeper hole every time he tries to justify his previous articles.

But that’s what happens when some who’s ego is bigger than his IQ is allowed to publish stuff I suppose.

I must admit it is frustrating though , kinda like watching a monkey slowly figure out how to do something simple , like open a jar of peanuts. You want to “help” him think , but you cant.

” this is nothing more than a bigger version of the electronic stim pads that were advertised as being able to develop muscles depending on where you connected the pads, especially in the abdominal region, these devices were discredited years ago.”

Clearly showing he had done ZERO research on the subject and is highly uneducated. Which is why he has to lie in his articles. I really think this is low considering all his articles , even about other topics are always to do with honesty and integrity.

You say “I have no way of knowing the accuracy or veracity of Sal’s opinions, but then nor does Lloyd or you, so you might want to knock it off with the accusations.”

Sal has used these series of blogs to tell the readers such things as Vibration Platforms work by giving you electric shocks so don’t try them. Lloyd tried to point out that was unethical and should not be allowed. As it is not an opinion but a blatant lie and a scare tactic.

One of the site owners tried to support Sals agenda , Lloyd thinks that is unethical as well so called him on it, and you too.

It is easy to prove to you that the accusation we give is not an opinion but scientific fact. Something Sal is keen on himself, proven facts!!
If we manage to do that will you start questioning Sals honesty and motives as you seem to question Lloyds?

Because that is what this is about, has Sal been deliberately dishonest in his work to push an agenda. His whole series is really about honesty. If the answer is yes he has lied it should be addresses and not hidden from the reader. He should be outed and not defended.

Will you publish the proof Sal lied if it comes from a reputable scientific source ?

He just did an article on Body Vibe here…….

http://www.healthandfitnessadvice.com/the-healthy-skeptic/more-whole-body-vibration-shenanigans.html

My response……

Firstly even the dodgy companies usually only say that Vibration Training is “as good as ” other forms of exercise but is just faster. And studies are slowly proving it is indeed a valid form of resistance training.

YOU have only started using the claim “better than real exercise” to cover up your deliberate attempt to mislead readers in the past were you stated it was……..
“useless and did nothing”.

In the future this lie will be exposed more and more.

In regards to Body Vibe International , on another forum Sal reads and has contributed to I stated in 2007…

vibrationtraining.net

Lloyd Shaw
June 28th, 2007

“The information on its website in places is very misleading and as a result I would be concerned at other statements or promises made by this company. In my experience this is usually not a good sign of things to come and would indicate marketers are in charge of their science department.”

On the same site in 2007 we discussed their “vibraceuticals,” range and debunked it.

And now you pretend to review the company and topic to appear valid and up to date ? ( and no I don’t believe its a happy coincidence )

You are a lazy fraud Sal , plain and simple.

Seems harsh folks…?

Consider this was the guy who….

(a) Told people Vibration Plates give you electric shocks. A clear lie anyone can disprove. He tried to get around this by telling people to not even trial the technology for free.

(b) Wrote multiple reviews on a product he never even tried until we gave him so much flak he went and got the cheapest unit he could find , which was basically a step pad with a vibrator attached to it , against our advice.

A pathetic attempt to back up his own point of view.

It seems if we are not fighting dodgy marketers we are fighting dodgy critics.