Choosing a Vibration Platform For Home
Recently a user posed the following question:
“I want a machine for home use - domestic. So how do I know what to buy with all the choices out there - do I trust celebrity endorsements?”
In the spirit of this site we will not be mentioning brand names so you will need to still do some homework regarding what to buy. However we will cover some of the things to watch out for as you “tire kick” your way around the net - and
some of the strategies used by marketers to rope you in.
Buying a Vibration Machine For Home
This category is the easiest one to get confused over - mainly down to two reasons.
Marketers are:
- Deliberately blurring the lines between quality of product vs results.
- Playing on your insecurities and isolation.
The home user of a new exercise product is an easy target for both the above reasons - with most companies only too willing to prey on the consumer’s lack of knowledge. To make matters worse the same person will not want to hang around gyms where this type of information is discussed freely. If they are really sensitive about their weight then it may not even be discussed with their friends or family - leaving the media to be solely responsible for any education process.
Note: The more scientific the theory behind the product the easier it is to confuse the consumer.
Marketers of such products and services rely heavily on sketchy reports of famous people using their product or paying someone to pretend (it’s called acting) to use their product - the very people you read about in magazines
and see looking far more fantastic than anybody has a right too. This, in turn, raises your own expectations of what you should look like.
Combine this with the isolated mindset of someone who really does think they are letting themselves down and you have a person almost begging to be taken for a ride.
Essentially the media spend all their time causing you anguish rather than offer to fix it.
So - in steps the “marketers” with their vague promises of getting you the same machine that “so and so” uses, and the attached body (for a good price of course).
Celebrities Use Very Expensive Machines
Now most of the time they are not always outrightly lying. Your favorite celebrity may be doing “Vibration Training” but I can assure you they are not using a model you can afford. And the results on these machines are in direct comparison to the quality of the unit.
How do I know this you say - well firstly I design machines for my company, and secondly I can tell you straight up I know a couple of trainers that personal-train big stars and they have comfirmed what machines are used. I just can’t repeat it.
Note: None of them are under $12,000 U.S.
The fact is “real” stars keep things very quiet. Example: I have an expo soon that is closed to the public, no cameras, no cell phones, invites only. I will be meeting people I am not allowed to talk about. What does that tell you?
All that secrecy and combine that with generic terms like “Vibration Training” or “Vibrating Platform” and the scene is set for misdirection of the facts.
Perfect well known example below….

Madonna looks amazing thanks to $14,000 vibrating plate -by REBECCA CAMBER, Daily Mail, UK July 2006
“With her heavily muscled arms, you would be forgiven for thinking it is the result of a punishing exercise regime at the gym. But it seems the Queen of Pop’s incredible shape is, in part, thanks to the vibrating platform - dubbed the ‘miracle’ machine. The vibrating platform is said to be responsible for the incredible shapes of not only Madonna, but also stars such as Claudia Schiffer and Natalie Imbruglia. But the “miracle” machine doesn’t come cheap - at £6,995 ($14,000 USD) it costs far more than the average annual gym membership. After the muscley 47-year-old Queen of Pop bought the vibrating exercise platform, sales have reportedly soared. And in Harrods, around 20 machines are sold every weekend.”
This article clearly states how much the stars unit cost her. However she had only picked up the unit that week so her figure could not have been contributed to by that exact machine (it was in fact a present for a
friend as she already had a unit at home). Companies will sell you a home machine at a quarter of the price that supposably does the same thing.
Does that sound right to you ?
I mean I myself pay NZ$12,500 to get my smallest entry level unit built for studio use -and I own the factory !! (no you can’t buy one so don’t even ask).
So where does that leave the home user? High and dry you might think… luckily this is not the case. You can get good solid results from a decent quality home model. Combine that with a bit of cardio and diet correction and you will be well on your way. No need to bust a gut - just consistent effort is needed.
A few rules of thumb to help you narrow down the field
- Solid steel (not cheap steel or plastic) if possible.
- Reputable company. If you don’t trust them don’t buy it. Try searching on-line for anything you can find about the company. Trust your instincts. Leave dodgy units from dodgy companies alone - no matter how good the packaging. There will soon be 140 companies marketing to you with similar products. Be patient and choose wisely.
- Ask the seller…
- Where it was made?
- Who made it?
- What it is made of?
- Who designed the program?
If the questions above cannot be answered then walk away. This is your health we are talking about and these should be easy questions for anyone not hiding something to answer.
- Local warranty back-up. Well-known fitness store is best so you have someone real to walk in and talk to.
- Be realistic about your goals. Say if you are purchasing a unit that cost only a few thousand for weight loss (as opposed to a $14,000 U.S. unit) then things may move very slowly. Do not get frustrated, just stick to a good safe program every second day and it will happen. Think about this - you are trying to reverse how many years of abuse? It is not going to
happen overnight is it? So relax and just enjoy the thought you are actually doing something for yourself which is half the battle right? - It will have a limited lifespan.
Worst comes to worst you can always post a question on this site but try and make the question about certain characteristics of the machine rather than the brand name, or
- It may sound like marketing
- A few units are sold under a constantly changing name to confuse consumers. A description is far better to work on.
Happy hunting folks and hope you get what you are looking for - which remember is what you pay for.
Kind regards Lloyd Shaw
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- Gary M.
January 10th, 2008Lloyd Thank you for answering so quickly I’m not really sure what is the right machine for us. Some of our older friends have this machine and says it wonderful we will not be strenght training or anything like that. this mostly circulation issues with my wife and just the nice calm massage it gives makes a guy feel great. So that was why I was asking re: this macine rather than a 10,000 machine. thank again for any input
- Brad Barron
January 10th, 2008Hello again.
1st Lloyd, I didnt own the business then it was owned by Peak Pilates. I worked Part time for Peak Vibe while I was doing a Sport Degree. Peak Vibe started in July 2005 and I took over in March 2006, put my degree on hold and went in like any young guy would (i was 21 at the time) and just went hard.
I have never spoke with you and im not sur if Jason the 1st owner had but no I do not think you are uneducated. I have used your website in the past to find out why some conditions are contri indications and i found your knowledge very usefull.I have tried 2 of you studios and agree you have good machines I just have slightly different philosophies when it comes to how I train my clients as i come from the belief that everybody is a case study of one and therefore every single client i have has their own program and the majority still dont know how to tur the machines on as our training is very personal and we do it all. Also because my partner is a physio so I always had her at home t help me design programs for a client who may have crazy problems.
I have just qualified as a PT by the way aswell.
I think i might finally come meet you though Lloyd as I could probably show you how Ive been training for the last 2 years and you may like some you may not.
I think we also know some of the same people as my Best Mate is Brent Newdick who trains with Angela McKee and is coached by Doug Purini who mentioned once to me that he used to race you in sprints. - Brad Barron
January 10th, 2008Lloyd I am not sure why the 1st owner would say you had crap machines aswell because at that time you had VibroGYms and we had Vibrogyms so they were the same. Beats me?
The reason I have never posted until now is that 1) im not much of a computer person (more of a TV addict hahaha) and 2) Ihad a feeling that Peak Vibe (before me) had a bad relationship with lloyd and I really couldnt be bothered with any conflict. I had heard about all the politics and im not really a person who enjoys confrontation.
I have used the forum for a lot of thing like when a client starts asking about home units I was able to tell them which were shit etc.also the fact that Llyod knew that Peak Vibe and Kyle Jack-Midley had dealings, and Vibra-Train and Kyle realy dont get a long at all.
I actually still keep in touch with Kyle and have always got on with him but thats probly because hes only a year older than me and other than me renting a machine off him for a while we never really did business it is more of a met at the pub for a beer or come over to my mates cocktail party type business relationship. And I still think hes a great guy.I did feel like I had some input for this forum but knew that it would just end up in llyod and myself disagring on how we train, and even though nobody wants to admit it Lloyds word is Law on this website.
But i have noticed that a lot of people on here wish they could own a VibroGym so as wel as probably putting them on TradeMe next week I thought I might aswel give people the opportunity 1st.
I probably will keep in touch on this forum from now though as Ive decied to only sell 2 and keep one for me and Karen to use at home as I dont think I would spend $15000 in the future to get a decent machine and I will never use a shit one as ive only been on quality.
- Wayne Campbell
January 10th, 2008Hi Brad,
Good on you for giving it a go. Im sure the experiences learned will assist you in your future endeavours.
I hope you do catch up with Lloyd, Im sure that would be beneficial to all.
- Brad Barron
January 10th, 2008Thanks Wayne,
Yeah I have learnt a lot,
It has been a rollercoaster ride!
2006 was awesome I was making good money and averaging about 50 - 70 clients a day on 3 machines (i rented a 4th machine in november 2006)
But all of 2007 was hard. My training was better people were getting more value for money, my advertising was no different but I was only averaging 30 people a day.But yeah Im glad I was part of the industry and I have learnt a lot about how to run a business better next time.So as I stated if anyone is looking to get 1 or 2 VibroGyms cheap please call me on 021 661 664 or email me on bradleybarron@gmail.com
Brad , a few answer to your questions…
The reason Peak Vibes owners told people I was unsafe was because I developed and released a machine without weight restrictions and added vibrating handle bars. To get around the limitation of units I could buy off the rack . I was aiming for a 300kg Max rating.
It didnt help that the Europeans had convinced everybody this was impossable and pointless not to mention unsafe , for no reasons given other than it was a new idea so it must be.
Time I believe has proven then wrong on that one.
My programs…
The safety program was designed to be a generic workout that could be replicated anywhere on most units to help build up the general reputation of Vibration Training. It is based on “King Exercise to Fatigue ” principles .
You may want to note that the personal program system had been tried by PP and VG in the U.K. and had failed to capture the publics attention. True it gave individual results , but this had not passed itself onto an overall view that Vibration Training was “safe and it works”.
I understand from a trainers view it appairs limited , but that is the point. It is a “walk before we run” mentality that I work hard to develop this industry.
Di’s injury….
It was going “into” a position that hurt her back , not the massage or exercise itself. This is seldom considered in the programs and not once have I seen instructions warning trainers that this may in fact be the most dangerous part of the entire program. I account for it in mine.
Kyle …..
I also found him a nice guy. The demons only came out to play when it came to money. A real shame but this is common.
- Brad Barron
January 10th, 2008This is why I never used this forum previously Mike!
I knew that Lloyd would go straight into questions about the catiness in the industry.
And i really couldnt be bothered having to prove myself to someone who I dont believe I need too.Lloyd there is know way tht the old owners of Peak Vibe or Myself ever said your machines were unsafe because 300kg isnt possible.
I know the old owners very well as my partner is the head physio and manager of their largest pilates studio in Newmarket.I know the old owners wouldnt have as they didnt even understand how the Vibrogym worked and had no idea about anything. They were the ones you were talking about who thought they would make a quick buck with a new trend. He actually used it a lot more to upsell to his Pilates upstairs hahaha.
I hve never commented on you guys being unsafe and you having bad machines. I tell my clients that I believe there are only 3 decent machine in the world by my beliefs. VibroGym, Hypergravity & VibraTrain.
What i didnt agree with is the way you train on your machines.I think your training is completely safe for the general population, your machines are safe and give great results but its for the special populations that i dont agree with.
I have currently 3 clients over 70 that tried VT botany before me. As i understand your Franchises are made to follow the program thats set as that is the program that works.
But when a 75 yer old lady comes to you with bone density issues and balance issues they are given the same program as a 25 year old Male.
All 3 told me they were scared stiff as they were made to do the Superman Squat and they thought they were going to fall off and break their wrists and hips.
Now its just common sense that someone who has balance issues on the ground would not be comfortable balancing 30cm off the ground on a shaking platform. Why would you do this?You have a person with a wrist problem - how do they do Tricep dips but your studios make them as they must stick to the program you set.
Someone has a back problem but you make them do a Lower Ab Bridge which again is dodgy.So i think your programs are fine for the general public but I do not think they cater for specific cases.
You also state that they are completely supervised but after about 3 sessions they are left to do the program on their own.
So there are my reasons Lloyd why I do not agree with your training principles
Brad…
(1) I designed my big machines for people with balance and other modility issues. I have even had someone with a fractured spine use the machine.
(2) You are right it sounds like those people should not be doing super squats. We have a position on the charts called “Ski the Slopes” for those who cannot balance or whos legs/knees/hips cannot take a standard squat.
(3) The vibrating handle bars are used for wrist/shoulder injuries while the person is standing up. Excess weight is taken through the legs.
(4) Customers should never be left on their own. If the staff do this they can be fired. And they have been in the past.
How long have you had these issues. Do you really think you did the industry a favour by not addressing them ?
I understand you did not want confrontation but the industry cannot police itself without unbiased feedback. Even I rely on it to keep my studios in line. And its not about “helping the competition” ot ” thats not my job ” . Its just about doing the right thing because you can.
I will point the studio owner to your comments. Thanks.
- Di Heap
January 11th, 2008Interesting comments Brad. More so because tonight I took someone into Vibra-Train who, although very strong/athletic, had a recent wrist injury. He did not do the triceps position nor the push-up position in the regular way - he did them but in modified position ie upright using the vibrating handlebars and as Lloyd says above, taking some weight thru the legs. I can hardly imagine most 75yr old women doing unaided super squat position but I’m sure some can. Again the handlebar Vibra-Train machine is used and that provides perfect balance and stability. You can’t fall off as you are holding on with hands. Also the machine is turned off instantly if a person fails (moves out of position).
I was quite uncoordinated when I started doing Vibra-Train. I would forget the correct position or the order of the positions even with them clearly in front of me on the wall. I was never alone and had one on one instruction for months and months and months and more, and that was going 3x weekly. Now I can work through the program on my own but still there is an instructor watching me even if they are working with someone else. I would not feel completely safe any other way and I get corrected most times I train. When an Instructor does the program another Instructor is watching. I have watched over Lloyd a few times when he’s been training and he does NOT need watching but it’s still better that way and also to have someone call the time (how many seconds left of the 60sec positions)
I really do not accept that anyone is expected to do the program alone after 3 sessions. The absolute perfection of each position and maintaining that perfect position would make this unattainable.
- Di Heap
January 11th, 2008Two more comments: when I went to Vibra-Train I had no idea what it was about but if possible I wanted to get rid of continual low grade pain in my glutes and referred pain down my leg. This was achieved by doing the pelvic stability (plank) position that you say is dodgy for someone with a back type injury. Actually it was very safe as it was done kneeling on a mat, not as a regular gym type plank position. That is in fact the starting position for all people and anyone who can kneel can do it. Many people always do this position on their knees. Not all do it as a regular plank/abs position. For me it now my favorite position and it helps my stability a lot.
- HR
January 11th, 2008Lloyd, sorry to ask again, but you said “If you cannot exceed a budget then at least buy a small Lineal machine , as long as it actually works you will get some of the benifits you are looking for.”
What constitutes a ’small Lineal machine’ in your eyes?
Are you able to give me an idea of any models or manufactures that I should investigate?
The cheaper domestic models marketed here are around 150 to 500 GBP and I’m trying to find out if any are lineal.
There is a big leap pricewise to the machines you advocate such as the Vibrogym. The Vibrogym Domestic is selling here for 2,995.00 GBP (5,858.52 USD / 7,445.06 NZD) and that is way beyond my budget!
(By comparison The Power Plate Personal, is being sold here for around 1,195 GBP/2,341.75 USD /2,977.05 NZD).Thanks again!
Here is a site with the smaller types units you can get. Look carefully to get an idea.
http://www.fitness-paradise.fr/appareil-musculation/plateforme-vibrante/plateforme-vibrante
HR…
You must understand that those unit are only good for taking a muscle to fatigue straight after a weights set. They are not workout models .
Brad..
Re your comments of “cattiness” in the industry. It downplays the importance of sharing information for the safety of everybody. The issues we have had I believe are always worth discussing and acting on.
Dodgy salemen.
Dodgy Products.
Only profit driven Studio owners.We have even had people try such tricks as to attempt to trademark companies names behind their back.
The industry needed to know that these types of people are real and posed a significant danger to others.
In dont need to put up the surnames , but you will recognize them anyway.
Kyle
Dan
RichardAll the types of people that have been expelled from the industry for good reason.
You may not understand the importance of this now , but I hope you do in years to come.
- HR
January 11th, 2008Thanks Lloyd!
- Phil & Eileen Dayson
January 11th, 2008Vibra-Train Botany’s response to Brad’s Barron’s comments of 10th January 2008:
We have been operating successfully for 3 years. You say 3 people in their 70’s came to you stating that being left alone to perform a free standing squat scared them. If this is true we take it exteremely seriously as it is certainly not our or Vibration Training Ltd’s policy. We do strive for Target Zero Complaints, however 3 complaints in 3 years is not a huge percentage. To the owners’ knowledge we have always accomodated varying ability and fitness levels and our staff have always been instructed to do so and rigorously trained in that. For the public good and the reputation of the industry we urge you, Brad, to contact us and discuss details of when these clients came to you, who they are (with their permission of course)and how they are now so we can pursue this if necessary with current or previous staff. We are building a great reputation and regularly have people referred to us from GP’s, cardiologists, sports medics etc. Some of these medical and Manukau Health professionals are also clientelle of Vibra-Train Botany. Brad let’s put any commercial issues to one side and communicate in person as caring responsible professionals. Phil & Eileen. - Paula
January 14th, 2008Hi,
I could do with some advice about a machine for home-use and after wading through all of the posts, I thought I’d ask for myself. I get the message that the machine should be metal etc. so have faced up to paying more than I originally thought but it is for my husband and I at home.
Some info to help - we are both fifty but healthy if a little ‘flabby’ - my husband really needs to lose weight as he travels a lot and works in an office so gym visits don’t work as he never knows where he’ll be except the weekends. We eat healthily and just want to lose a bit of weight and tone up.
So advice would be excellent - and any detailed experiences would be brilliant.
Thanks in advance.
- Brad Barron
January 14th, 2008Hi Paula,
Do you live in New Zealand.
And how much are you hoping to spend.
As I am selling some 2nd hand $15000 studio professional machines for the price you would pay for a decent home machine. - Anna
January 15th, 2008Lloyd,
I am tossing between Professional Hypergravity / VibroGym Professional and Galileo Basic. Which should I go for ?
Anna The Hypergravity and Vibro-Gym are so similar I would recommend you look at local support as the deciding factor.
The Galileo Basic is not in the same catagorie and should be purchased on its own merits.
- Paula
January 16th, 2008Hello Brad,
Sorry I am UK-based so the shipping would be horrendous, but thanks for getting back to me. So, the question is still there please - as for what I would be willing to pay, up to £2,000 or so.
Thanks and regards,
Paula
- Bob
January 17th, 2008TVSN in Oz are selling a Chinese machine called ‘Vitality 600′ real cheap. If anyone on the forum has one of these machines could they please let me know if they are happy with it or whether it should be avoided. Thanks.
It is the same/similar unit sighted in this article.
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/10/warning-to-home-users-heres-how-you-are-getting-cheated
I have one in my studio so my customers can “feel the joke” for themselves.
- Di Heap
January 18th, 2008I’ve been reading over the comments in this thread and it seems confusing about programs especially in my own comments so:
See here for a safe, effective program
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/03/what-does-a-wbv-program-look-likeI have said that my friend who had a sore wrist did modified positions for push up and triceps dip. These aren’t covered in the pics but anyone can phone Lloyd
- Di Heap
January 18th, 2008I’ve been reading over the comments in this thread and it seems confusing about programs especially in my own comments so:
See here for a safe, effective program
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/03/what-does-a-wbv-program-look-likeI have said that my friend who had a sore wrist did modified positions for push-up and triceps dip. These aren’t covered in the pics but anyone could phone Lloyd for advice. They are not personalised positions but simply modified so that weight is not taken solely through the hands/arms.
Also it is important to note that push-up and pelvic stability positions are done with knees on the floor mat (see the program and pics) until a person is confident to do them in the advanced position, if ever. I have not done push-up position on my toes after a year of vibration training. It’s effective for me in the basic position and there is no advantage for me to change. It’s very hard for me anyway (hardest position for me).
I often use the machine with handlebars and do the position on the charts called “Ski the Slopes” for those who cannot balance or whos legs/knees/hips cannot take a standard squat.
I do this position instead of the standard Super-Squat if I am overly tired from run/walk events or from standing for a long time at work and have sore legs or back. It’s a very effective position, not personalised, just modified from the Super-Squat by taking some vibration through the arms as the handlebars also vibrate.A year ago, after doing longer (more positions) programs at some brands of wbv studios I used to wonder why Vibra-Train program was specific and seemed limited but I soon realised the effectiveness and safety of the program. It’s enough to tire me yet make me feel like I’ve done some exercise and keeps me coming back for more - good business practice I’d say! Also personally it’s helped with slow gradual weight reduction and since I’ve been slack at going past 3 months I’ve put on weight.
I’m still recommending wbv to everyone and would hate to see people put off by comments of 70yr old forced to do positions that the can’t physically cope with.
I’m sure (well I hope) Vibra-Train isn’t the only company that offers a basic, safe, effective program for all people. What gets me Di , is that studio and its owners from its opening told all their customers we were unsafe , and our new machines couldnt work. I know you were not in charge Brad , but a bit late denying it took place .
But here is a funny thing , they did not use the European company that supplied them with their machines own material to promote their services , they instead plageriarized my work. Over time changing it .
But is still word for word mine in some places.
No respect from day one.
- Rodney Bennet
January 19th, 2008Hi there , Firstly this website really is a wealth of knowledge and is the first place anyone should read when considering buying these machines.
Myself and my girlfriend have been interested in this kind or training for a while , we both have no time for the gym, although not over weight we would both love to tone up and lose some flabby bits. I lost alot of weight a few years back and now look actually quite skinny although I still have flabby love handles and slight man boobs which I was hoping these machines could help with.
2 months ago we put a deposit down on a “vibraplate”. It was at a trade show the rrp was £1500 , the guy offered it to us at £700 if we put deposit down that day. Right away I though it all sounded a bit fishy. Later that evening I noticed machineson ebay (crazy fit massager) that were identical to the unit I was gonna buy , with different stickers an a much smaller price tag. I called the boss of the place up and he had no idea about the technical side of the machines. I asked them for my deposit back , which they returned no problem , prob to save face. GUARANTEED SCAM.So now we have set a budget of £1200 and would like a better machine. Today we were in john lewis and looked at the Power Plate MY3 and another machine here http://www.johnlewis.com/Sport+and+Leisure+/Fitness+Equipment/Fitness+Equipment/Training+Platforms/6713/230459263/Product.aspx
I quite fancy the second machine as it has loads of functions and you can train for up to 10mins at a time, where as the PPmy3 was only 60 second intervals.
Floyd you are obviously the guru around here and clearly have the most experiance in this training.
What is your opinion of the DKN machine I am considering?Your opinion is greatly appreciated, perhaps you could post up some minimum figures that we should be looking for in a machine ?
for example…. frequency , weight , user weight , motor wattage , cost ?
I am hoping to purchase this week , your advice will greatly determine which one I go for . I must stress I just cant stretch the more expensive machines at this time .
Thanks .
Sorry Rodney , but that model has very little chance of getting you the goals you mentioned. With a G-load of only 2.65 you may get some initial results but they would stop quickly.
You will need to look for these types specs for a unit that gives you the ability to continue to “train” and get consistant results.Construction…..Steel
Weight……….. 90kg+
G-Force………..4.5+The other settings like Fq and Time are usually standard. The above is what sets units apart.
My advice is if you cant afford a model with those specs at the moment. Wait , they will come down in price or you could pick up a second hand Vibro-Gym.
- Rodney Bennet
January 19th, 2008Is the my3 any better then ?
Were do I see the G force figure , I cant see that on details?
It is not on the details they release. I have them.
PowerPlate has a history of faking specs , so no to the My3.
- Brad Barron
January 19th, 2008Lloyd and Di, Why dont you get a life!
How about you stop being Mr perfect Lloyd and tell the public about all the shit you make up to look good and promote your company.
You say this website is not about advertising but its just a big Vibra Train party on here isnt it and yes there is a wealth of info but its full of “Come to Vibra Train we do No wrong and nobody else does it correctly or safe”
And as soon as anybody disagrees with you there is just a whole lot of you Vibra Train Army coming a long to hack them down.
Jason set up a studio in competition with you. He imported his machines just like you did from the UK.
This is when you had told your franchises that you were the distributor of VibroGYm in NZ and nobody else could get them. And then suddenly we open around the corner.
Jason also wouldnt have had a clue about how you run your business and whether you were safe or not. He never worked in Peak Vibe himself he imployed people who were in the fitness industry already.
I believe you are lucky you havent given the whole industry a bad name.
Forcing the eating 1 hour before because your free intro is pretty much full power for everyone no matter what there back ground is. And you wonder why people faint a lot at your studios compared to others.Thats why I had to start offering 1 free week because people would come to me from you studios and think we trained to easy when I was allowing their body to adapt so the would not have ay bad experiences.
They would see that after a week they would get a more supervised personalised session that would be a better workout as the progressed.You say yours a supervised. If sitting behind a desk is supervised then I guess they are.
And for you “Poster Boy” article. How bout a before shot aye Lloyd. Oh thats right you looked exactly the same and you are at Les Mills every 2nd Day.
So how about you stop this shit Lloyd. You have great Machines and use them to about 20% of their potential.
Good Luck with your future endevours I think you and your studios will need it.
- Di Heap
January 19th, 2008Hi Brad, Not going to reply much except to say, I have fought Lloyd all the way - in that I never, ever, just believed what he said to be true. I had to find out for myself. Like you, at first I thought Lloyd was “over-confident” and “over-bearing”. Lloyd gave me lots of his free time teaching me about Vibration Training just because I showed interest - he soon figured out that I could not afford to buy into his company. I checked and doubled checked everything he taught me, online, by visiting other companies, by talking to others when I could. It’s not in my nature to simply believe people. I have had to go back and say to Lloyd a few times, “Now I understand” or “Yes, You are right”. Even now, as I am working in another part of the health/fitness industry, I am formulating very strong views on the use of Vibration Training and even annoying myself even by finding that I’m coming up with the same beliefs that Lloyd has said all along. I’ve stepped back a little from constant exposure to Vibra-Train and looked again at some other machines. I don’t want Vibra-Train to be the only valid provider of wbv in New Zealand, and it’s not the only one - there are some others. I’ve had to address some financial problems I have - or I would be buying your machines! You definitely misjudge me.
I am thankful to Lloyd for all he’s taught me about wbv and also some help with understanding human anatomy and physiology and exercise that helped with a course I did last year. I don’t always agree with him - trouble is I usually find out later that he was right. His background as a Mortician gives him an advantage over most plus his experiences in life and making his machines. Personally If I could ever prove him wrong on something it would give me great joy (Just to be right for once

- Di Heap
January 19th, 2008I am going to repeat some things from my own experience at Vibra-Train. I had an Instructor stand beside me on every visit for the first three months at least. One on one! It wasn’t always Lloyd as there are other Instructors. Sometimes there were other people training as well but not often as I would go late at night. I want to say it was six months as I know I was not allowed to do the program alone for at least that amount of time. I was Not at all good at it but persistant which is a trait I am known for ( a pain in the *rse )in both good ways and bad.
Lloyd does sometimes sit at his desk when I train now but he blardy well has eyes in the side and back of his head and yells at me (nicely) If I am out of position or comes over and corrects me. I have trained for a year! I should know what to do but I am watched over. All the studios have the same standards too.I have never seen anyone pass out at Vibra-Train. True, I go late at night but also daytime on Sundays. (Where I work people are almost passing out every day at present due to exercise and summer dehydration). It happens and can happen at Vibra-Train too I guess.
I did not know Lloyd before his poster-boy pic but I have seen a before photo and it was online, not shown to impress me. He looked plumper, much less cut.
I’m not sure what bad experiences people might have in their first week of Vibration Training. I was aged around 50, fit from walking but did not go to gym. My first week gave me quite a few aches especially in quads. No other bad effects and I did the full program just as everyone does. I was not given any intro program due to my age, (over) weight or health issues.
I know I come across as one who agrees with Lloyd. This has come from lots of hard work on my part, checking it all out. My only regrets are that I didn’t go to Vibra-Train sooner as I knew it existed and I might have been able to buy in if I had. Also I would have had the wbv therapy that I needed for my glutes and injured knee sooner and saved a lot of money that I paid to other therapists.
I doubt Lloyd needs good luck. Last year I’d even planned to set up as an alternative/choice studio so I would have needed the luck! But seriously no one is at threat from Lloyd if they operate ethically and safely. He helps other studios if they ask for help and advice. (Reasons I didn’t set up: Financial plus concerns about the main place I looked at. Why I don’t buy into Vibra-Train: Can’t afford to).
Brad..
Its not about being perfect.
Its about education , doing the right thing and being committed. Not being swayed by everybody that waves $5 in your face.
I walked away from importing and selling machines and people on this forum can back me up on that. I had good reasons not to trust those involved.
Safety…
You say yourself my machines are capable of another 80% , don’t you think I know that ? I designed them.
By limiting their use I would think I was showing restraint and safety protocols other companies are yet to even implement.
Note: We rely on word of mouth to grow , not flashy marketing , so any success we have will not be had by..
” the shit you make up to look good and promote your company”
The consumer at the end of the day will vote with their wallet.
- Di Heap
January 19th, 2008Brad, There is still a lot of choice in wbv in New Zealand. Fit Vibe have around 16 locations and I know of a few others that are part of other businesses. There are still some Power-Plate or renamed old Power-Plate studios and some VibroGym, plus other independent studios with other brands of machines. Those who go to Vibra-Train do so by choice. Most have never seen this website or others. The only adverts I had seen of Vibra-Train until a recent summer promotion in a ladies mag, were a simple one in one of our local free magazines (an advert by a local Vibra-Train) also some old ones in bodybuilder?? mags. Not much promotion!
Not sure what shit you think Lloyd makes up. What I’d like to see is a Trade Show with varying types and brands of wbv machines there for people to try. From reading a previous post I think you and I would agree on which ones would be preferred by the public BUT still some would like the cheapo style of pivotal machine - as long as people know what they getting for the price they are paying (home or studio use) and that the machine is safe to use (my bug bear) then choice is all important.
In a big city various brand studios should be able to send customers to opposing studios if they believe the machines are more suited to the needs of the customer at that time (eg physio/therapy versus fitness/training). I don’t understand why it all has to be so cut-throat and I don’t believe that Lloyd is at fault here. Why can’t people simply accept that he knows pretty much all that there is to know and ask him for advice (then if they want, be like me and, check it out again if they aren’t sure). In NZ we have a bad habit of cutting down those who hold the knowledge or power instead of honoring them (Oops, now I’ve gone too far and No, I don’t have a gold statue of Lloyd that I bow down to).
Hey Brad, one question about your webpage. Why do you use the word Nemes such a lot? It is an acronym but also a trademark. Also on one page it says NUMBS training. What’s that?
For newbies, If you offered One week free compared with First session free elsewhere there must have been other reasons you didn’t get the numbers in 2007. That would have been a good start for people and a one on one way to talk to them about regular sessions.
- Jim
January 20th, 2008Hey Llyod, In your response to Rodney you mentioned that a good machine for consistant results would need to be 90kg and have a g-force of 4.5+. I’ve been looking at the hypergravity personal because of feedback on this site but it doesn’t mention the g-force. Do you know what it is? It only weighs in at 100 lbs. Is that still ok?
Lloyd:
I started researching for Rower Machine & end up reading for last 3 hrs. about wave training. I think i can be benefited with this training, due to the fact I am 50 yrs old with High BP & having constant body pain. I am slightly overweight by my ht & body size, but out of shape.
Area where I live in we don’t have any GYM with vibration machines to try out. so, I decided to purchase one. It is extremely confusing & frustrating to spend the money with out trying out. After reading your blogs, I have come across three companies machines they are not inexpensinve. can you please provide me better intel on this companies or their machines (where it is manfacture, quality etc.)
To make short here are the companies website.
http://www.bodyvibeusa.com
http://www.hypergravity.net
http://www.waveexrcise.comAny help will be appreciated.
God blessed & keep up the good work to educating people.
Thank you
Pravin
Brad, was doing very well in intelligent discussion till his last comment, I just started respecting him about his knowledge & he went down hill with personal attack & comments. Thi is what happens when a person don’t have any where to go or do not want to agree with others position.
Brad, you are young & inexperience, I’d been in business longer than your age is. If you want your position to be stronger than others, make sure you have your fact straight & have enough backings to them. DO NOT under any circumstances again DO NOT become personal or adveresial. It has to be healthy discussion. You can not achieve heigths by lowering others, by the way I’d read this blog site first time in my life (FYI 50 yrs). Hope you can continue discussion without being personal thta will help to increase your knowledge as you stated in previous comments. Remember one thing DO NOT BURN THE BRIDGES, WHO KNOWS YOU MAY HAVE TO TRAVEL BACK ON THEM AGAIN IN FUTURE.
This is where Lloyd’s experience shines better than others.tc
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January 10th, 2008
I’m sorry to hear you are closing up Brad… as Lloyd says, they are good machines and competition is important for the industry.
Hey MikeyB, Looks like you’ll have to give Vibra-Train another go. I still haven’t got to meet you