I would hazard a guess of level 10 and under for the ProEllixe.

You are missing a great market here believe me! The only thing I can find here is a couple of salons that have a Proellixe machine, possibly because the Canadian distributor is here. If this technology actually works for me, both therapy and training, I am considering opening up a studio here, as I was a very busy Realtor prior to this and running around like that seems to be off the table for me now so need a new career. I just have to be my own walking testimonial 1st (pardon the pun) and I would have the place full! I actually scouted a location today but don’t want to put the cart before the horse and want to make sure it actually works for me 1st.
More I find out about the Proellixe is appears that it is sub par as far as wbv machines go, so not really getting a good test it appears. When you say low speed (speeds being 1 to 20) do mean 10 and under?
Need to find a decent machine to buy so that I can really get a feel for what they can do.

(2) You can not compare Lineal power with Pivotal speed. They are really too different. The only way you are going to settle that one is try both systems.

(3) Wave is Lineal
Galileo is Pivotal

No comparison in how they feel or how you will react to one. Sorry it is very particular to the individual.

Is there no Lineal machines in your whole town , not even a Power Plate ?

Thanks for the info. Think I found out the hard way today. Used the machine today and tried the “ski pose and the basic squat and have been paying for it all day icing for the last few hours. Should I just do the basic stand up straight (slight bend knees i’ve learnt) for the rest of my sessions? They are already paid for till end of month. I would definitely rig something up at home so that I can do it just need a machine!

Also somewhat important,

1) would you suggest the the Wave machine is worth the $4000 or so more in cost than the Vibra Pro 5500 in terms of quality and better effectiveness? I did look at them but they seem to be lower powered and subtantially pricy

2)If I go up close to the price of a Wave would the Gallieo machines be a better buy? I believe all of these machines use the same wave platform so that part would be the same.

I know I am trying to get specific but believe me, I have spent weeks trying to sort it out and you know the saying “a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous” applies here, because I may be using the wrong parameters to decide if a machine is good or not. (ie horse power and brand of the motor weight of machine etc)Again, we don’t have any studio or WBV machines here in use that I can find so no idea what a good one should “feel like”

Thanks Again!

(1) Do not attempt the squat pose without some kind of side handle bars. Taking sufficient weight through your arms will take the pressure off the knees, allowing you to hold the correct angles.

Coming out of that perfect 110 degree angle will do you more harm than good. No compromise can be made on this point. This is very important for you to understand.

If you can not find something ( eg.. tall chairs, walker etc.. ) then do not do it at all. This will be the same rule for a Lineal machine for you. So maybe getting a home version and getting your husband to sort something out for you might be best. You can always contact me with ideas for this. That is why even my machines have side handle bars ( as per the program I showed you ).

(2) Running a Pivotal at 2 high a speed “lock legged” will cause shearing on the knees. It is a slow speed Therapy pose only. If you go higher you MUST get into correct workout poses, or risk hurting your knees, lower back, neck etc…

(3) There are about 250 brands selling things no bigger than a sex toy to huge commercial products. It is a minefield for the uneducated consumer and a playground for unethical marketers. So even if it appears confusing now, keep reading, it will all come together in your head at some point and you will just “get it”.

Try contacting some of the companies on the adverts up top, like Wave or HG.

Thanks you so much for your comments. I spent hours on this site trying to find my original comments and any responses and finally found it!
As there is no handles on the Proellixe not sure how I will do it properly. Do I hold the pose suggested for as long as I can and then just stand back up for the rest of the program? Her machine is in a small corner of her shop with very little space so couldn’t even do many of the exercises you show. Actually didn’t even know you were suppose to do anything other than just stand on it! The bending is the toughest on my knee joint for sure so I know this will be tough. Can’t do a 90degree against the wall at the Physios yet. I still one step it on stairs, especially to go down them.

I actually find the higher settings (they don’t show hz, just levels)12 and up (highest I’ve gone is level 15 for 6 minutes on their “tonic” program and the level 7 & 8 for the rest of the program seems to be more jarring on my neck. Is it actually working my body harder at the lower levels? I don’t know how that translates into the hz levels that you talk about but I think that machine has a 30hz limit?

Question? I have realized after spending many hours on this site that there are different types of WBV machines which seem to require different techniques.
The one I am on has no “rest” periods, you just go through the program which is 10 minutes long and was told to come in 5 times a week for 10 minutes a session? I think I understand that this is a pivitol/oscillating machine where a lot of the discussion here is on Lineal/Vertical? I am still finding these terms somewhat confusing.
For obvious reasons the “therapy” aspect needs to come 1st, but I was quite the athelete (distance biking, skipping, basketball)prior to this and some other injuries and now find myself 30lbs heavier (basically sedentary) than my comfort level so the toning and muscle building is also extremely important, especially if I can get both by buying the right machine. I am on the West Coast in Canada so not sure which machines are available to me, but I can afford a more expensive machine if the benefits will make it worth it. Would the lineal/vertical machine ultimately be better? If so any recommendations? or would either help me reach my goals and maintain them? I have yet to find specific info on this site that states the benefits or limitations of either machine (assuming quality is similar?)PS my husband is a body builder (not extreme) and is also interested in using the machine in addition to my 16 year old daughter.

I have read through most of the information on the site, and clicked through to some of the machines indicated through this blog only to be more confused. I had no idea when I started that there were so many different options! There are no studios here in Vancouver and no “experts” to ask or even try out different machines. I just happened on the “Prolliexe” through an ad in the paper and the lady that owns it is very nice but really has no knowledge of the machine or safety parameters she just owns it because Proellixe promots the money a business can make by owning it. (been on their site and can buy that machine for $7900)but if not really any better than the VP5500 don’t want to pay the difference.

Your guidance is a life saver as aside from the money I don’t want to buy something with limited use or potential safety issues. I am thinking that with my obvious limitations I will need to use the machine for the rest of my life. I read on one of the sites (promoting lineal I think) the the pivotal could cause “shearing” and damge the knee joint long term thus the concern.

Thank you again for the time you have taken to help me!

You really need to do a basic squat position using some kind of side handle bars for support ( see “ski the slopes” on the workout poster at http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-vt.html , make sure you read instruction VERY carefully ) to strengthen your knee area. Doing the “lock legged” position may offer some small relief, but no real improvement.

Please make sure you do this right or you could cause more damage. Follow all the same rules as the basic squat for foot placement, angles and weight distribution. Keep the machine at a low speed, approx.10 hz.

The Vibra Pro 5500 is a decent machine.

Very glad to have found this site as I started using a Proellixe Machine at a local salon out of desperation. I have recently had knee surgery and was told that although I really need a knee replacement that I was not old enough to get one and I would just have to deal with it. I have stage 4 Osteochronditis Dessicans and Stage 4 Chrondo Malacia of the right knee. Physio had been quite ineffective and after researching WBV therapy thought I would try it although not asking any medical professional for their opinion as I figure I have nothing to lose.
I have used it about 10 times for 10 minutes and have had some success in being able to walk without the knee brace, but must admit that I do get some irritaion in both my knees (that seems to ease with major stretching after). There machine is in a spa and there is no one to even recommend what to do on it. I basically just stand on it as straight as I can while it goes through the program. I would love to know if there is any recommendation on how I might best use this machine without doing more damage to my knee, and am also thinking of purchasing a machine for home use but want a good cross between quality and value. I was thinking about the Vibra Pro 5500 because of the size of the motor and the base size but am concerned that the base may be to light in weight. Could anyone please give me their opinions? BTW after sitting on my butt for the last 10 months the idea of muscle toning and inch loss is not unappealing!

The only time I’ve used a toes squat (heels off platform) was when I had a little DKN home unit for my family to use. The machine was very low powered overall but the vibration was rough (not controlled). Up on toes gave a pleasant “wakeup” sensation to legs before or after running/walking. – about all the unit was good for actually.