Weight Loss: What Am I Doing Wrong?
“Roadhouse” has asked the following questions
Regarding weightloss - what am I doing wrong?
I purchased a hypergravity personal model 4 months ago. Have followed their recommended program for all 4 months, 3 times a week, and am now doing the advanced workout.
Have not lost a pound and look the same!
Any thoughts regarding my lack of results and what I might do improve results is greatly appreciated.
Roadhouse makes no comment on his diet - but still his questions are valid…
Any answers?
48 Comments
- Lisa Thomson
February 20th, 2007Hey ya Roadhouse,
I’m not totally familiar with the type of machine you’ve been using but from my experience there are lots of variables when it comes to any weightloss/fitness programme.- Type of machine
- Frequency
- Intensity
- Diet
- CardioI have been doing WBV for around six months now and have noticed a huge improvement in my body composition.
I’ve gained muscle mass, lost body fat (sitting on 17%), my strength has increased and i have abs!! Plus I achieved this after having a baby two and a half years ago.It’s totally achieveable!
Obviously results will vary according to the individual. It’s not necessarily all about weight loss it’s about strengthening muscles to burn body fat.
But to you Roadhouse, I recommend that you come and try out the Vibra-Trains.
- roadhouse
February 20th, 2007Ok, here’s a bit more information that might be helpful in solving my lack of progress.
Here is a link to the machine I purchased.
http://www.hypergravity.net/shem.htmlI am certainly no expert in wave vibration, so have followed the program provided by Hypergravity.
I am currently at the advanced level which calls for exercises to be done with amplitude set on “high”, machine set at 30 hz (except for two exercises done at 50 hz), and all exercises done for 60 seconds.
I do cardio 3x week for 20 to 30 minutes. I do interval training during these sessions.
I have not changed my diet - which could use improvement! But…all things being equal should I not see at least some improvement from my 3x weekly use of the machine?
Thanks to all of you for your insights!
Roadhouse….
What exactly is your training schedule .Are you doing exercise every day ?- roadhouse
February 21st, 2007Lloyd-
I train every other day.
Here is my routine. All positions are performed at 30 hz (unless noted), at high amplitude for 60 seconds. Rest about 15 to 30 seconds between positions.
I do not do the positions dynamically. Thought I read on this forum that this could result in injury. I simply assume the position and hold for 60 second duration.
Warmup for 2 minutes simply standing on the platform.
Then continue warmup by sitting on the platform for 2 minutes stretching legs and lower back.Exercises / Positions
1. Lunge, each leg. 60 seconds each leg.
2. Pelvis bridge. 2 sets. 60 seconds each
3. Deep squat
4. Shoulder press
5. Wide stance squat
6. Deep calves squat
7. Bent over pull
8. Push up
9. Calves squat
10. Lateral side raise
11. Bent over lateral
12. Deep calves, again
13. Bent over pull, again
14. Biceps curl
15. Tricep dip
16. Abdominal crunchCool down
1. Abductor massage
2. Diagonal crunch
3. Hamstring stretch 50 hz
4. Adductor stretch. 50 hzThanks in advance for your reply.
Hello Roadhouse,
You omitted to mention your height and weight, your muscle and fat mass before and after vibration training.
You might have increased muscle mass and reduced fat mass. It is possible to gain some weight rather than to lose some.
Anyway, you should be in better shape.
I would recommend a 10-minute warm up and then follow by 20~30 minutes vibration training.
TC
- KG
February 21st, 2007Roadhouse,
The height and weight info is pretty important.
The “roadhouse” handle you’ve chosen certainly draws some conclusions for me(:But the actual numbers will really help to flesh out your story so you can get the needed feedback.
No need to be shy….you’re amongst friends.
KG
- roadhouse
February 21st, 2007KG-
Funny…and true. I’ve made my living owning and operating restaurants. Sold them 2 years ago.
Ok, here’s the bodily scoop.
I am 6′ tall and weigh 280. Clearly I carry excess baggage, but not as much as one might think based on height and weight.
Most people would never think I weigh 280 - most think I weigh 50 pounds less. I have a 42″ waist and last time my body composition was measured (at the Cooper clinic in Dallas, underwater test) my body fat was 27%.
Hope this helps you help me. I appreciate your interest.
- Muscle Man
February 22nd, 2007Solution - get a set of new scales mate.
If you are exercising frequently, the only problem I can see is if your cardio isn’t intense enough, or perhaps you’re not performing the routine properly, (which isn’t that sound anyway). The only way you’re going to lose fat is cardio - that machine isn’t going to do the whole job for you. It will strengthen and tone, but what you need is more intense cardio. Obviously, you work different muscle groups on different days in order to have a substantial effect. You haven’t included any nutritional details - that’s probably a problem as well. Also, there may have been a small effect, as muscle substituted fat, thus you weigh the same - perhaps you haven’t noticed.
Muscle Man….
So to get your advice to this guy clear” the ONLY way your’re going to lose fat is cardio “
- roadhouse
March 3rd, 2007Muscle Man…
Appreciate your input but am confused by your comment of “or perhaps you’re not performing the routine properly, (which isn’t that sound anyway).”
What is a sound routine?
LLoyd Shaw - I would like your input as well. To me, you are clearly the resident expert on all this stuff!
Thanks!
I personally think you are doing to much and would like you to follow my basic program which is going up this week. I will put up the link when done.
It is the same program my customers follow and has been very successfull. You should see changes in 3 weeks.
Do not exercise every day. The rest day is just as important as your active day.
- Susan
March 4th, 2007I just used one of these……..horrible experience. I now have a pain in my back that I never had before. Will never get on one again.
- Jason
March 4th, 2007Susan
Can you tell us which machine you tried ? - Jason
March 4th, 2007And Did you have a supervisor ?
- KG
March 4th, 2007To Roadhouse as food for thought if considering cardio cross-train(WBV should be ESSENTIAL as well-hope Lloyd’s program does you well),
I’m of the opinion that WBV is an integral part of my workout. I just don’t know of any other device that can get you the bang for the buck(my equation for this is time spent vs outcome). Personally, I live a very busy life. The whole reason I got involved with WBV was the gains/therapeutic benefits that could be made with the minimum time investment-for efficiency sake(it is important to note that I did get burned for quite some time by using the PowerPlate device-this expierience really soured me on WBV until I tried a Hypergravity unit which showed me the night and day difference between a plastic vs. all steel construction-no HG plug here, I assume any well made all steel unit would fit the same bill).
I used to be at a point in my life were I could afford the time investment required to be a gym rat-that time has long since passed.
That all said, I’ve been looking for something on the cardio side of things that would incorporate the same philosophy. A big thing with me for a workout is it has to be fun to keep my interest and efficient for the reasons I described above.
So with that disclaimer I want to share with this forum something I purchased a month ago and have been very surprised with-in a good way.
It’s a bike that uses a step type motion. The thing that shocked me was the workout I get with the legs AND upper body. As far as cardio it makes my heart rate scream.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4372991596770738157&q=3g+stepper
I’ve got zero financial interest in this bike or company etc. etc. And it in no way would supplant WBV in my workout. Just a great cardio approach I found that may appeal to others looking for an edge.
PS…had to take it in to a bike shop to have it assembled-NO TOOLS!!! ugggh. but only cost me $40 US for the labor. Forgive me if this is too off topic for this forum.
Yours in WBV,
KG
Susan…
please more info ( model used etc… ) This training is indeed not for everybody so you not liking it is ok , but it should not hurt you.Hello Susan,
Sorry for your unpleasant experience.
I have a physiotherapist working for my vibration training studio, we also work closely with a number of private physiotherapists and medical doctors who refer patients to our studio for vibration training. Believe me, you may not like vibration training (in fact no one dislike it since our studio begun in January), but you should not get hurt from it.
Since you did not provide any detail, we could only make some guesses to explain your experience:
1. You tried the vibration training without proper supervision, e.g. rule no. 1, you should always bend your knees and lift your heels a little bit while performing a active stance position.
2. You tried on a poor pivotal plate (Pivotal plate supports or Galileo fans, be relaxed, I mean a poor plate not a decent plate like Galileo). A poor pivotal plate may shake you like crazy. Your back muscle tried to respond to keep balance but overloaded. If it is just a fatigue, you should recover in a few days. If the pain symptom remains, you might have muscle strain, you better go to see an orthopaedic doctor, physiotherapists or chiropractor for check up.
However, please don’t blame your problem on vibration training. We help people with back pain with this technique but not to create pain. It is very possible you did it on a poor device or under poor or no supervision.
Since your comment was posted on March 4, I hope your back pain is already gone by now. Come back and tell your full story to help other readers in this forum.
TC
- Kris
March 7th, 2007TC:
“1. You tried the vibration training without proper supervision, e.g. rule no. 1, you should always bend your knees and lift your heels a little bit while performing a active stance position.”
TC, what then is a static stance position and does one also have to bend the knees there as well?
Kris,
It must be my English level causing some confusion. I meant, everyone, especially, beginner in vibration training, should keep the knees slightly bent while STANDING on a vibration plate (no matter we call the position “active” or “static” stance).
TC
Roadhouse,
Have you followed Lloyd’s suggestion to modify your training program?
If so, how does it go so far?
TC
- roadhouse
March 11th, 2007TC,
I’ve been a lazy slacker lately.
With little results after strictly following the manufacture’s program, I have done little training the past week.
Was excited to see Lloyd’s program and written guidance. I will begin using his program today and will update everyone on my progress.
Appreciate your interest. Thanks.
Roadhouse,
I just got a minute to look at the technical specification of Hypergravity Personal. I found one thing that seems not making sense to me and could explain your poor result.
Hypergravity Personal has amplitude settings of 3 & 5mm which are very similar to the professional devices that my studio uses and Llyod builds. However, Hypergravity Personal weighs only 100 lbs. (45.5 kg.); our professional devices weigh over 100 KG., at least double your home device.
A decent professional device needs a heavy base to keep itself sits firmly on the floor so that all vibration energy transmits upwards to the person.
If a device has a lighter weight, there are two possibilities. Either the device jumps and vibration force gets compensated. Or if the device could still sits firmly, its oscillator(s) is/are not generating enough vibration energy.
Either the way, you are not receiving sufficent stimulation to trigger biological effect.
Try one position with high amplitude to see if you can accept it. If so, use high amplitude to do the training program suggested by Lloyd. Keep the intervals (rest period between two positions) shorter in order to bring up the cardio rate. If you still feel easy after completing Lloyd’s program of 9 positions, do it one more time.
By the way, before doing Lloyd’s program, I still recommend a warm-up session of 10 x 1 minute in stance position at 30 Hz. The aim is to bring up the level of hormone like testosterone, HGH and IGF-1 in order to make the following workout (Lloyd’s program) more effective.
My studio just received a new male member at late 30s, 5′ 8″, 208 lbs. last week. He did three sessions of 25-min. each. I saw him last Thursday, I found him “less baggy” subjectively. After the member left, I spoke with our sports physiotherapist and she felt the same on him. Our target is to bring his weight down to 190 lbs. within two months and we are confident to achieve it if the member can keep coming regularly.
I would like to see how vibration training works on you.
TC
- roadhouse
March 12th, 2007TC
My unit sits an a thin piece of carpet to keep it from dancing all over the place. The carpet and unit are on a travertine stone floor.
Since this is my only experience with a vibration machine, I cannot be totally sure, but feel like the machine is providing sufficient vibration. It rocks my world just fine.
A couple of months ago I started doing the hypergravity routine on high amplitude. Hypergravity directions does not guide one to do this - I simply did it on my own to see what difference high amplitude might provide. I also went from 30 hz to 40 hz.
Unless you or Lloyd suggest otherwise, I will do Lloyd’s program on high amplitude at 40 hz.
Question - does 10 x 1 minute warmup mean 10 contiuous minutes?
Roadhouse
Roadhouse,
So your device did dance therefore you put a thin carpet underneath. If so, it confirms my suspicion that its base too light weight. It offsets the vibration energy when it dances. In that case, turning it to high amplitude should be a way to give you more stimulation.
However, when you do sitting or lying positions, perhaps you want to turn it back to low amplitude.
For the 10-minute warm up, you can take a short break (max. 30 sec.) every minute.
Hope it works for you this time.
Keep sharing your experience.
TC
- Joe
April 20th, 2007I have been seriously disappointed in my dealings with Hypergravity. At first Josh the owner seemed a little pushy and anxious to sell me, but he was nice enough that I didn’t think too much about it. I wish I had trusted my gut because my Hypergravity Personal model just broke down, making a terrible loud banging sound.
When he sold me my machine just ten months ago, Josh told me they never had a machine returned, so am I to believe that suddenly I’m the first to have a break down? Sure I am.
I reminded him of the warranty he sold me, and he reminded me of the part of the warranty that says I have to pay for shipping to the factory. The mountain of legal documents they made me sign before I could buy my machine should have been another clue. Check mate.
He agreed to repair it for free but he is trying to charge me $120 for pickup and delivery. What really boils me is that I live less than a mile from the factory! I’d take it myself except that I’m retired and in no condition to lift this thing, not to mention that it would never fit in my car anyway.
My advice is to trust your gut feelings about Hypergravity. In my experience, my gut didn’t get any smaller but it sure was right!
Joe
- Kris
April 20th, 2007TC:
My studio just received a new male member at late 30s, 5′ 8″, 208 lbs. last week. He did three sessions of 25-min. each.I thought it is recommended that the safe time is no more than 10 - 15 min. per day with 48 hrs between. Please explain how the 25 min session is done. thanks
Hello Kris,
Some experts here do suggest the safety limit for WBV would be 15 minutes per day with interval of 48 hours.
Personally I think there is no solid evidence that you will do harm when you do more than 15 minutes per day.
There are certain precautions that you should take and you will learn from others’ experience or by your own. For example, one should avoid to do many positions that would put load on same joint, e.g. knee, throughout a session.
For normal health & fitness conditioning, I think 10~15 minutes for a session will be good enough.
For specific applications such as fat burning, we would recommend a longer session but it does not mean an intensive training all through the whole session. We divide the session into different phase.
Phase 1 (8~10 minutes) - This is for warming up muscle & joints to prepare for intensive training by performing simple positions like stance, light squat plus some stretching positions. More important to bring up the hormonal level of testosterone and growth hormone.
Phase 2 (15 minutes) - This is the intensive workout part. I would not mention specific positions here because it depends on the individuals and type of machines. However, the goal is to increase metabolism.
If the exerciser can afford time, it is always nice and pleasant to go into Phase 3, using lower frequency to create a massaging effect for relaxation.
TC
There are some serious lies told in this thread. I have met the person called “Joe” and the people involved. “Joe” is an old man in his 80s and couldn’t even use a computer, never mind the sophistication of blogging. He’s very happy with his Hypergravity machine.
I suspect the cheat who is abusing and impersonating him is a wily dishonest ex-salesman, trying to trash Hypergravity.
It’s the best machine I know, to a superb standard and Josh Hayon is very trustworthy and compassionate. In fact he didn’t charge anything to the real life “Joe” and fixed his machine, even though it was out of warranty (the pick up fee was from the transport contractor and, in the end, even he didn’t charge “Joe”).
For the real story, call me if you want: 760 285 6639
Prof Keith Scott-Mumby MB ChB, MD, PhD
http://www.alternative-doctor.com
(what mroe credentials can I give?)To Roadhouse,
Are you still around? Curious to know how is your training program going.
TC
- Kris
April 27th, 2007TC, what are the frequencies and amp recommended for the following (either for home unit or a pro unit used in home such as Hypergravity Olympic or WAVET):
Phase 1 (8~10 minutes) - This is for warming up muscle & joints to prepare for intensive training by performing simple positions like stance, light squat plus some stretching positions. More important to bring up the hormonal level of testosterone and growth hormone.
Phase 2 (15 minutes) - This is the intensive workout part. I would not mention specific positions here because it depends on the individuals and type of machines. However, the goal is to increase metabolism.
Hello Kris,
My suggestion is based on lineal type devices ….
For Warm-Up phase, 30 Hz / low amplitude.
For Workout phase, frequency and amplitude can be vary depending on the positions. If the position is not having major body part in direct contact with the platform, e.g. Push Up or Using straps to train Biceps or Pectoralis, I would suggest high amplitude and 30 / 35 Hz. For other positions that the exerciser is mainly in direct contact with the platform such as Sit Up, high amplitude could be too harsh for many people, then switch to low amplitude and frequency goes up to 45 Hz.
Have a nice weekend, everyone!
TC
- Kris
April 30th, 2007Thanks TC
Would you also be so kind as to please explain the frequency ranges for warm up/massage/therapy. In reading the comments here I’ve seen both lower ranges (under 40) for warm up (massage?) and the upper ranges for therapy.
Could you inform those of us still learning about the different ranges and their proper use? Again, thanks
Hello Kris,
I am embarrassed by your comment because I am also learning on vibration training. Anyway, it’s a pleasure to make friends here, to share and to learn.
If Lloyd SHAW is not the only one, he is one of very few true masters in this industry. Many manufacturers of vibration devices just make the products and probably do not know what their products do. Many others like you and me practice it but do not know much about the technical parts. Some try to study it, comment on it in their studying rooms but never give it a trial. Lloyd studies, manufactures and practices vibration training; more important, he is generous enough to share his knowledge.
Back to your question …
I think we can understand better how to manipulate vibration training by comparing it with treadmill training.
Frequency of WBV = Speed
Amplitude of WBV = Inclination = Level of DifficultyFrequency between 20~30 Hz with a lineal vibration device gives massaging-like effect so this range is for relaxation.
In other word, training frequency starts from 30 Hz. Therefore I would recommend to use this frequency for warm-up phase. This 30s Hz range can also be used in training phase for beginners.
For exercisers who have adapted well to the vibration sensation, they can tolerate higher frequency for a harder workout. Just like someone will turn up the speed of treadmill to run faster for a harder training.
At the end, for cooling down, we can use frequency at or below 30 Hz to give the tired muscle a pleasant and effective massage.
- Ken
May 2nd, 2007Lloyd where did you post your basic program? I can’t seem to find it and would very much like to see it.. thanks in advance
Ken“Lloyd Shaw
March 3rd, 2007
I personally think you are doing to much and would like you to follow my basic program which is going up this week. I will put up the link when done.
It is the same program my customers follow and has been very successfull. You should see changes in 3 weeks.” - Di
May 2nd, 2007Here’s a link, Ken
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/03/what-does-a-wbv-program-look-like
- sdawnc
July 22nd, 2007Roadhouse — I was wondering about your progress on the Hypergravity. I would love the opportunity to get to talk with you more about it as I am interested in a home model. Trust all is going great! Thanks..
- Jeanette
December 16th, 2007Hi - I have bought a Crazy Fit massage machine - is this product suitable for weight loss and toning and all the other things it claims - mine is a 50 speed machine? Or are these machines that are sold on E-Bay etc just a gimmick?
In my opinion a very dangerous unit , and nothing that company says can be trusted. Sorry.
- Jeanette
December 17th, 2007Hi - thank you.. do you mean dangerous for the body - as exercise? Am I wasting my time using it for any health benefits - such as weight loss etc.? I have actually ended up with two of them and was thinking of selling one.
I live in Australia and am now wondering which unit you would recommend for home use?
February 20th, 2007
Hi Roadhouse,
What is your nutrition like? weight loss is 70-80% nutrition.
Remember WBV is not a one stop shop it does not replace cardio.
It is simply another tool in the tool box.