Poster Boy
Lloyd submitted this photo of himself standing on a vibration platform. The photo comes from a poster with the motto “We design the machine, you design the body”.
Lloyd claims that for the last 18 months the only workouts he has done are vibration workouts.
If a picture is worth 1,000 words then this self-portrait says a lot.
The following questions come to mind:
- If I wanted to achieve the same results could I simply go to a Vibration Studio and start “working out”. Which machines can I trust?
- How do I know if the personal trainer actually knows what they are doing?
- What was the regimen that Lloyd used to achieve these results (how many workouts per week, which movements or stances, duration of “sets”)?
Written by Site Administrator on January 23rd, 2007
153 Comments
This was my program.
MACHINE MODEL : Vibra-Train Classic
SPECS : Required Force 3
SETTING : V = 43HZ
HOW OFTEN ? Once every 3rd dayNOTE;
No extra nutrition . This will be added to my next program.THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IS DONE IN STATIC POSITIONS.
I min-
Basic Squat1 min
-Push-Up1 min
-Wide-Stance Squat1 min
-Full Body Tricep Dip ( killer )1 min
-Pelvic Stability1 min
-Stretch2 mins-
Superman Squat1 mins
-Shoulder Pull1 min
-Full Body Tricep Dip1 min
- Pressure Static Squat ( specialized exercise for athletes on Sport Performance unit )1 min
-Pelvis Stability1 min
-StretchTHIS IS NOT A JOKE . OR SOME CHEAP STUNT.
THE PROGRAM IS ALOT HARDER THAN IT APPAIRS AND YOU WILL NOT GET THE SAME RESULTS ON A LESSER UNIT.THESE MACHINES WILL NEVER BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC , AND MUST BE USED UNDER SUPERVISION AT A LICENSED STUDIO. THE STUDIOS MUST MUST EARN THE RIGHT TO EVEN REQUEST SUCH UNITS.
WARNING; THE HIGHER THE REQUIRED FORCE , THE LESS YOU DO , WITH ” NO ” ERRORS RULE .
THE SPECIALIZED SPORTS PERFORMANCE UNITS BEING RELEASED THIS YEAR WILL NOT BE AVAILBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND CAN ONLY BE USED BY RANKED ATHLETES.
- john cain
January 23rd, 2007How can I find a facility in the Houston Texas area? The average Joe is left with little hope if you have such an outstanding machine that will never be for sale to the public. I’d be grateful if you can tell me of anyone in my area that offers these machines for use to its clients.
There are none of my units or studios in the U.S. at the moment. But will be soon. As the U.S. has a reputation of sueing everybody. I have been developing and testing our ” safety before sales ” programs here in N.Z. first.
The education was also simply not there.I am a Mortician by trade so look at everything through ” worste case scenerio ” eyes. So am sorry for the cautious delay.
Required force 2 are the entry level units.
Required force 3 units ( which is my mainstay in my program ) will also be available in licensed studios. And can be used by the public. Under supervision.
Its only the Sports Performance Units I will not allow the public to use. As you must be of a certain level already to safely do a program.
If you want to know if your trainer has any idea about the unit and matching program for your needs.
Ask them who designed both.
If you get a non-descript answer ( a company name only ) , walk away.
Because this equipment is so particular I would expect a trainer to do some background checks on the machines before letting clients near them.
- Di Cussen
January 24th, 2007Great Bod Lloyd,
There is no fairer way to gauge something than by
Results, often harsh, always fair.
Your personal results are outstanding. - D
January 24th, 2007Outstanding genes!!!, What’s your diet? Do you exercise aerobically? Supplements? legal or otherwise.
Demanding workout, no doubt….but results of WBV training alone just part of the equation.
I love this site, very informative Loyd - Piedro
January 24th, 2007Hallo LLoyd .
I saw that you dont sell these machines to the public .
Is there other machines that public can get them and are able to bring such results?
The Elite Professional model of Hypergravity can bring such results ?
Can you tell us how much costs this unit ?
- Site Administrator
January 24th, 2007Lloyd said “Because this equipment is so particular I would expect a trainer to do some background checks on the machines before letting clients near them.”
The scary thing is - I happen to know someone who was offered a job at a vibration studio. She (as far as I know) has no background in personal training whatsoever. She has a friendly personality — which presumably was the “qualification”.
That is the very thing that makes me so wary and skeptical about WBV. I’m keen to give it a try but not sure who I can trust.
Site Admin…..
I have had to fire 3 personal trainers for ” experimenting ” on customers . I have had to let others go as well , but I would have expected the qualified trainers to be in the minority. But their partial education and unwillingness to learn combined with their egos was both dangerous and dissapointing.And yes they did hurt people.
I cant speak for other companies but our main concern now is to hire people who will not vary from the ” safety programs ” that are set out for them.
Immediate dismissal is now supported by our parent company for those who choose to play with customers safety.
My training…
ONLY Vibration Training . Nothing else. I have resisted even walking more than 4 blocks during this period.
Diet… not good , as a mortician I often eat at irregular times and is always brought food. But I keep away from fries.
No supplements… not even protein powder.
I was in Ok shape before with 15% bodyfat. Going to the gym 5 days a week. And the track ( 100m ) twice a week.
I am now sitting at a constant %10.
To my surprise I visited the track 2 weeks ago to practice 100m strides. As I want to know how bad my cardio and stamina had gotten. Not tired or puffed.
Also no more sore knees or ” clicky ” shoulder.
I will get some practice in and then get timed. To see if any real performance has been gained.
- john cain
January 24th, 2007Ok, Lloyd. I do appreciate your caution with regards to a possible release of this machine in the U.S. That shows a great amount of scruples on your behalf. In the meantime, I must consider what it is that I can afford for myself and what is at my disposal. The SoloFlex WBV keeps coming up in my mind. My mother actually owns one, but I haven’t seen it yet. She’s using it in particular to address her issues with osteoporosis. What is your opinion of this machine? I looked at the technical info and noticed that the Hz. range is between 28-60. Is this acceptable? Before you answer, please consider that I don’t have thousands of dollars to spent (as of yet) and also that I don’t want to wait. I’m looking for something available and moderately effective in the here and now. Please know, Lloyd, that I do value your opinion. You are a pioneer in this whole WBV phenomenon. The fact that you are a real person who is approachable makes you genuine. The SoloFlex looks like my best bet, unless I hear otherwise from you.
- D
January 25th, 2007Loyd, I just posted this site on a Strength and Performance Forum….a very reputable one, in an attempt to solicit comments.
I hope you don’t mind. All comments welcome. I want this pulled apart by skeptics and industry leaders alike. It is the only way we can move forward .
- Phillip
January 25th, 2007Impressive results Lloyd.
Do you have programs / machines that can also be used to build power and strenght without compromising weight as in muscle mass loss for say, rugby players?
I realise nutrition is also an important factor in this
Yes , the key is for people who want to retain ” mass ” is to not over-do it. And try to keep to whole body exercises where their own weight can be used in the equation against them.
- Angela McKee
January 28th, 2007I have known Lloyd for 18 months and have been training along side of him and I can confirm that his diet of pizza and similar fast foods and high sugar power aids is what keeps his body going. Lloyd does not recommend his diet to anyone but is a good indication how your body can still change under bad conditions.
I have noticed since I first meet Lloyd that he was in OK shape for a 35-40?? Year old but over the last 18 months I have seen his whole body composition change from fit casual puffy muscle look to a very muscular and cut body that looks younger and has more energy.
And yes I will confirm Lloyd only does Vibra-Train and he exercises to exhaustion on the programme submitted.
We had a race one night and he kicked my butt. I will admit to being a high jumper (Bronze medallist at the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne) not a sprinter, I am in pretty good shape and train 5-6 days a week doing a variation of running, weights, plyometrics and Vibra Train.
New Zealand High Jump Champion
But im only 21 ?
- Nick Morris
January 28th, 2007So, you gonna send me back that box of cuban cigars and special reserve port I sent you for your 40′th!
- D
February 2nd, 2007Loyd, Please describe the Stretch, the Superman Squat and the Full Body Tricep Dip.
thanks - KG
February 2nd, 2007Lloyd,
I’m looking forward to your posting of body positions on this site that you spoke of in an earlier post.
I’m of the belief that improper positioning while training on WBV platform if it does not injure someone on the plate, can make one more prone and vulnerable to injury in the endeavor that they are training for- tennis, rugby, soccer, going upstairs etc.
In a related matter, I really hope Mike Hair gave the same follow up retraction of the body position that was shown in the NZ newspaper story he posted here to the newspaper itself. I beleve readers seeing such bad form on a WBV plate may think its ok to mimick it it real life, get injured and be soured on this technology in their life. Frankly, I was shocked to see it.
Yours in WBV,
KG
- mike Hair
February 2nd, 2007KG, as stated ealier we in no way shape or form position our clients in the pose that was in the article, the photo was taken while i was out of the room. I was shocked myself when the article was published even though the machine was unplugged, and in the future will not be letting that happen again.
- KG
February 2nd, 2007I understand Mike.
I also think it is incumbent upon you to have the newspaper print a retraction or clarification regarding the photo with that information.
Due to the newness and unfamiliarity with WBV surely the paper did not know that the photo could lead people to emulate that pose and in doing so leave them vulnerable to injury.
I think contacting them is the right thing to do.There is a lot of confusion over WBV and its effectiveness an safety in the public at large(as illustrated on this site by the NZ professor discounting the benefits of WBV on weight-loss)
Anything that can be done to insure the public that people in the know regarding WBV won’t tolerate misrepresentation of its benefits or the machines proper use can only further the industry’s public credibility-until a global set of standards for manufacture, positioning/practice, and certification of training is in place.
Here’s to hoping you do the right thing,
KG
To answer John Cains question,
No I believe Soloflex to not be Vibration Training in any way shape or form. It is simply a small vibrator attached to a small platform.
I find their advertising to be deliberatly misleading and would have to be one of the worst offenders in this catogory to date.
One of their magazine adverts directly compares its device to a $13,000 studio version.
My guess is they would also sell you their grandmother for a good price.
- Mike Hair
February 3rd, 2007Hmm Does there grandmother cook?
- Erik
February 3rd, 2007WBV injuries?
The negative influence to the human body when exposed for long term WBV (such in vehicles, industrial enviroments etc) is well known.
But have any of you experienses, or seen reports/study of injuries while training on vibrating platforms?
What kind of injuries? Joints, muscles or others tissue? Temporarily or cronic?Do we know for sure there is only a few (biomeccanically) safe postures while training on a platform, or is the risks exaggerated?
Injuries usually involve incorrect positions. They are always the insructors fault. As it is part of their job to stop unit if customer is out of position. Even for a second. Remeber that can equal 40 incorrect moves.
I have seen
(1) Pinched nerves in neck area. ( looking around while doing upper body poses )
(2) Swollen knees. ( standing up during leg poses , or incorrect posture in lunge )
(3) Bruised Tailbone ( doing sit-up poses on units with no mat )
Sticking to a ” safety program ” with no ” gray areas ” is my only recommended path.
Other smaller problems like headaches are usually caused by dehydration or raised blood pressure.
Hyperglycemia can also be a problem if food intake is too low before workout.
- Green
March 6th, 2007Hello Lloyd–great information here. Some WBV sites recommend daily simple (standing only) usage of 10 minutes as being safe at low vibrations 8-16 hz such as in the Turbosonic–is this ok in your opinion?
For the treatment of osteoporosis this should be ok. Very low amplitude -1mm and slightly higher Fq 38+hz though would be recommended for long term exposure.
Caution: Some units have mechanical limits that may not allow such a program to be followed.
Hello Green,
My information indicates frequency below 20 Hz may cause resonance in internal organs. WE DO NOT WANT TO STIMULATE INTERNAL ORGANS when doing vibration training. Be careful with that.
In vibration training for osteoporosis, I would recommend active stance position, frequency between 30 and 35 Hz, low amplitude at 1 or 2 mm. 10 sessions x 1 minute each time. If physical condition allows, also do semi push up position for another 5 sessions x 30 seconds. You can do it daily or at least 3 times per week.
If you have already gone for a DEXA bone analysis and the result indicates a potential risk of osteoporosis, vibration training should work very well for you. However, if the result confirms osteoporosis, vibration training itself is not enough to reverse the problem. You need to follow medical doctor’s prescription of hormone treatment + vibration training.
TC
- Green
March 7th, 2007Thanks LLoyd and TC– your comments are most helpful.
Lloyd–by long term exposure at 38 hz+ does this mean that higher frequencies are better/safer than lower frequencies if treatment is given for long time (days), or that the results of higher frequency are more long lasting? (What amplitude range would be ok for 38+hz?)
TC–What happens if internal organs are stimulated? Would low frequencies at low amplitude be safe (ref internal organ stimulation)?
Overall, Lloyd and TC (and anyone else on this board) is there any range of Hz-amplitude combination that can be done in static positions/exercise positions on a 4-5 times a week schedule?
I really appreciate guidance–thanks a lot.
Best wishes and regards. - Green
March 7th, 2007Additional query–If there is almost daily usage of WBV, is the mechanism of muscle development different from anaerobic resistance training? If micro-tears take place in the muscles and they hypertrophy in response over the next 48 hours…is in WBV this different that no recovery period is required?
Similarly as an analogy–What happens when a workman is carrying/lifting heavy loads on 5-6 days consecutively in the week–there is no rest period but it does not seem to create any problems for him–usually such people are quite muscled and lean.
A purely Osteoporosis program could be done daily , as the poses are done with joints locked. So no rest days needed.
see Juvent http://www.juvent.com/
Do not confuse this with an exercise program where varying degrees of pressure are applied to muscles through hyper garvity and set poses.
Rest days needed as with all anaerobic activity.
Note: The hormonal profile of your patient should raise enough for the rest time from traditional weight training to go from 72hrs to 48hrs.
- Green
March 7th, 2007Thanks Lloyd…I am still not very clear on this so please bear with me… if we use the WBV daily with certain static positions as opposed to dynamically changing poses (exercises) with or without extra weight loading as in resistance training—does this affect the muscle development differently?
My experience with the WBV is very recent and I am using an easily available Korean machine as an introduction to the therapy. The machine has only 2 settings–high and low, and I find with the static poses I am developing musculature in the upper body as well as the lower without any additional resistance training. In particular I find that my arms and shoulders are developing visibly more and I find this unexpected.
I used to exercise with a home gym and I have not done that now since about 5-6 weeks, but used the WBV about 5 times a week from 10 minutes upto 45 minutes a day in static positions only. The longer times were 5-10 minutes stimulating different parts individually– arms, legs, calves, back, abdomen while in a lying down position.
I am not losing weight but I am definitely losing inches so I guess I am adding on muscle mass. My wife has a similar experience with this protocol. Physically we both are feeling much fitter and stronger.
I am wondering whether holding additional weights in static positions would enhance this benefit allowing 5-6 times per week WBV ( the analogy of workmen laboreres carrying daily weight) without the possible downside of doing resistance training sets which might damage muscles if done daily. I would appreciate your thoughts on this–would there be any research for this particular type of protocol?
Best regards and thanks again for your patience.
What you are speaking of is in the ” Static Exercise ” categorie , and yes load bearing will alter the resistance level , hence change your results.
Caution: You and your wife are at risk of Hyperthyroidism if you continue your program. The extended periods of time you are spending training will have the following effects. In this order.
(a) Initial Weight loss and muscle tone. ( 4-8 weeks )
(b) Fluid retention ( 8+ weeks ).
(c) Multi organ slow-down/failure ( 5+ months ).- Green
March 8th, 2007Thanks for the information and especially the cautions–could you please refer me to data re. the mechanism of the cautions? Also, in the static exercise would 10 minutes daily be ok?
Best Regards Re the cautions….
You will just have to trust me. I design machines to induce an exact response. Do you believe I know what NOT to do ?NO , to every day as an exercise format. A break day is a compulsory safety measure.
- Kris
March 8th, 2007What are the osteoporosis poses?
- Green
March 8th, 2007Re the cautions–Please do not misunderstand, I’m sure you know what to do and not do; I am asking whether the cautions then are from your own experience with any cases of ‘fluid retention (8+ weeks) and multi-organ slowdown/failure (5+ months)’ or is there other data you might be referring to.
Thanks and regards. Kris…..
The purely osteoporosis pose is standing locked legged on a unit with very low amplitude . This ensures the ” shock” therapy on the bones is transfered effectively.Caution….. This should only be done on a purpose built unit with some instruction. No errors in the Fq or Amlitude should be present.
Note….. A very well know unit was tested here in N.Z. with a massive 43% error rating found from its specs.Green…
Re Hyperthyriodism….
Yes I have witnessed it myself . But the biggest shock by far was a call I recieved from South Africa last year 21/3/2006.
A personal trainer had a call from a very sick client. The trainer had resorted to contacting me after getting no answers from the machine manufacturor involved.E-Mail I recieved after call……
Thank you so very much for your kind advice that I received via ( my trainer ). I am pleased to say that the beta blockers have had the desired effect.
This “HYPERTHYROIDISM” that I have been experiencing has been very unpleasant & debilitating. I had no idea whatsoever that there were any dangers of this nature associated with vibration training, nor do the very experienced group offering this form of training in SA.
As I have become more used to the plate my sessions & intensity have increased dramatically, with sessions lasting up to an hour with very little rest between exercises.
I need to be able to explain to the Professor of Endocrinology who I meet with on Wednesday what effect this has had on my system & the success you have experienced in rebalancing an “out of sync system” .
I would really appreciate your kind assistance in providing some facts & information that would enable me to do so. Once again many thanks.
January 23rd, 2007
Hey Lloyd, what was your training regimen or do I have to come and see you!!