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		<title>By: John Weatherly</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/01/exercise-lecturer-cautions-against-vibration-training-claims/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>John Weatherly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;ll be terrific when you get a retraction.  This kind of reminds me of years ago when I went to grad school to study under Dr. Mike Stone.  At the time, there were maybe only 3 or 4 universities in the US with a strong anaerobic strength/power physiology emphasis and people like Stone as faculty that knew a heckuva lot about strength training from both scientific and practical perspectives.  There still aren&#039;t a whole lot of PhDs at universities that are &quot;true experts&quot; on both the science and practice of anaerobic exercise (i.e., strength/power training).

I recently had a Dept Chair at a university tell me about a professor at another university that he frequently recommends potential doctoral students to say this professor can &quot;talk a little strength training&quot; but wasn&#039;t on my level.

And vibration as an exercise modality is so new to people.  I think it&#039;s even worse than the science of strength training was back when I went to grad school.

Time will tell I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;ll be terrific when you get a retraction.  This kind of reminds me of years ago when I went to grad school to study under Dr. Mike Stone.  At the time, there were maybe only 3 or 4 universities in the US with a strong anaerobic strength/power physiology emphasis and people like Stone as faculty that knew a heckuva lot about strength training from both scientific and practical perspectives.  There still aren&#8217;t a whole lot of PhDs at universities that are &#8220;true experts&#8221; on both the science and practice of anaerobic exercise (i.e., strength/power training).</p>
<p>I recently had a Dept Chair at a university tell me about a professor at another university that he frequently recommends potential doctoral students to say this professor can &#8220;talk a little strength training&#8221; but wasn&#8217;t on my level.</p>
<p>And vibration as an exercise modality is so new to people.  I think it&#8217;s even worse than the science of strength training was back when I went to grad school.</p>
<p>Time will tell I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember these famous words from Sal Marinello  ....

IT CANT WORK , ITS BASED ON FLAWED SCIENCE SO STOP WASTING OUR TIME.

And the good Dr. Sue Broadbent...

Its not going to help you lose weight or increase your metabolic rate 


Meanwhile .....

The Childrens Hospital in Westmead , Australia have installed a Vibration Platform to help curb obesity in adolescents who have developed insulin resistance , a common precursor to Type 2 Diabetes.

Do readers have any idea how much background research , solid work and combined ethics consent was needed for this to happen.

Note: This has happened despite people likes Sue and Sals best attempts to stop this technology from helping people.

I will still be seeking a public retraction from Dr. Broadbent as evidence mounts she mislead the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember these famous words from Sal Marinello  &#8230;.</p>
<p>IT CANT WORK , ITS BASED ON FLAWED SCIENCE SO STOP WASTING OUR TIME.</p>
<p>And the good Dr. Sue Broadbent&#8230;</p>
<p>Its not going to help you lose weight or increase your metabolic rate </p>
<p>Meanwhile &#8230;..</p>
<p>The Childrens Hospital in Westmead , Australia have installed a Vibration Platform to help curb obesity in adolescents who have developed insulin resistance , a common precursor to Type 2 Diabetes.</p>
<p>Do readers have any idea how much background research , solid work and combined ethics consent was needed for this to happen.</p>
<p>Note: This has happened despite people likes Sue and Sals best attempts to stop this technology from helping people.</p>
<p>I will still be seeking a public retraction from Dr. Broadbent as evidence mounts she mislead the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Di</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/01/exercise-lecturer-cautions-against-vibration-training-claims/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for replies.

That tesing is, of course, quite dated now but I was interested.

The results are positive which is good to see. Even the comment that effects are largely untested reads positively unlike the flack that WBV has been getting in some writings lately - often from people who wont even try it for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for replies.</p>
<p>That tesing is, of course, quite dated now but I was interested.</p>
<p>The results are positive which is good to see. Even the comment that effects are largely untested reads positively unlike the flack that WBV has been getting in some writings lately &#8211; often from people who wont even try it for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Green</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/01/exercise-lecturer-cautions-against-vibration-training-claims/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above referred to study appears in the BJSM in abstract at--

http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/39/11/860

You can register free to get a full text PDF--
This is a very limited study with only 3 interventions in total compared: cycling, WBV, and Control.

This is exactly what they have to say:

&quot;What is already known--Whole body vibration (WBV) has proven to be effective in improving strength, power, and bone density. This novel training intervention is becoming popular for conditioning, rehabilitation, and general health. However, the acute effects of WBV on power, strength, and flexibility are still largely
untested.&quot;

&quot;What this study adds--This study confirms that power and flexibility increase after acute WBV exposure and that acute WBV may accelerate the warm up effect. Additionally, muscle groups less proportionally exposed to vibration do not exhibit physiological changes that potentiate muscular performance.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above referred to study appears in the BJSM in abstract at&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/39/11/860" rel="nofollow">http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/39/11/860</a></p>
<p>You can register free to get a full text PDF&#8211;<br />
This is a very limited study with only 3 interventions in total compared: cycling, WBV, and Control.</p>
<p>This is exactly what they have to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;What is already known&#8211;Whole body vibration (WBV) has proven to be effective in improving strength, power, and bone density. This novel training intervention is becoming popular for conditioning, rehabilitation, and general health. However, the acute effects of WBV on power, strength, and flexibility are still largely<br />
untested.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What this study adds&#8211;This study confirms that power and flexibility increase after acute WBV exposure and that acute WBV may accelerate the warm up effect. Additionally, muscle groups less proportionally exposed to vibration do not exhibit physiological changes that potentiate muscular performance.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/01/exercise-lecturer-cautions-against-vibration-training-claims/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Di

Try contacting Darryl Cochrane, Lecturer Sport Coaching, Dept of Management, Massey University, Palmerston North.

D.Cochrane@massey.ac.nz

I believe the research you refer to by Massey University was done on a Galileo sport and Gallileo top machine and was overseen by Darryl. The initial project was completed as a team research project in 2003 and in summary &quot;with no differences in results&quot;.

At the time of contacting Darryl Cochrane (April 28 2005), Darryl had just had another study accepted for publication in the British Journal of Sports Medicine - the results of which I was told were &#039;exciting&#039; however were under embargo and could not be released to the public.

Hope this helps
Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Di</p>
<p>Try contacting Darryl Cochrane, Lecturer Sport Coaching, Dept of Management, Massey University, Palmerston North.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:D.Cochrane@massey.ac.nz">D.Cochrane@massey.ac.nz</a></p>
<p>I believe the research you refer to by Massey University was done on a Galileo sport and Gallileo top machine and was overseen by Darryl. The initial project was completed as a team research project in 2003 and in summary &#8220;with no differences in results&#8221;.</p>
<p>At the time of contacting Darryl Cochrane (April 28 2005), Darryl had just had another study accepted for publication in the British Journal of Sports Medicine &#8211; the results of which I was told were &#8216;exciting&#8217; however were under embargo and could not be released to the public.</p>
<p>Hope this helps<br />
Kate</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly just from an ethical standpoint I hope the tests didnt go ahead.

(a) Not enough education by the testers on what to do or look for.

(b) Inducing already healthy athletes to such a test is dangerous. An extended downhill run could cause a career threatening injury.

NOTE: ... the injuries would be varied depending on previous runners history and gate. Which will give random results.

Why not use an infrared scan to find similar injuries from Physio practices.  This way matching pre-existing injuries could be monotored and helped.

I recieved a letter from Dr Broadbent&#039;s boss. Things will be put right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly just from an ethical standpoint I hope the tests didnt go ahead.</p>
<p>(a) Not enough education by the testers on what to do or look for.</p>
<p>(b) Inducing already healthy athletes to such a test is dangerous. An extended downhill run could cause a career threatening injury.</p>
<p>NOTE: &#8230; the injuries would be varied depending on previous runners history and gate. Which will give random results.</p>
<p>Why not use an infrared scan to find similar injuries from Physio practices.  This way matching pre-existing injuries could be monotored and helped.</p>
<p>I recieved a letter from Dr Broadbent&#8217;s boss. Things will be put right.</p>
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		<title>By: Di</title>
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		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apologies..My name only appeared a &quot;D&quot; above</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apologies..My name only appeared a &#8220;D&#8221; above</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic leaves me with questions:

* Was the Massey university testing actually done? The results were due out end of March, 07, so that&#039;s right now.

* Results of the testing relate only to the specific vibration platform used in the tests - a Vibrogym platform set to vibrate at between 30 and 50Hz moving up and down either 2mm or 5mm each cycle and to the particularity of the test ie what is being tested.

When I read about this test (a few months ago) it looked interesting until I read that the testing involved 30 volunteers deliberately inducing muscle injury by running downhill on a treadmill and then the treatment group will use WBV for 5 consecutive days of 15 minute sessions while the control group does nothing. Blood testing will be done to determine the degree of inflamation decrease over the 5 days.

I&#039;ve wondered why consecutive days of WBV are being used when at least one days rest between sessions is generally recommended.

I also wondered why injury was being induced rather than using healthy people using the machine but the newspaper article seems to answer this..ACC are maybe funding this.

Why has Dr Broadbent made comments before the results are known and why comment on areas outside of the scope of the Massey uni tests.

Also when I was looking at aspects of WBV I found a mention of Massey uni (NZ) doing testing in 2003 using a Gallileo system 26 Hz, displacement = 10 mm, over 5 weeks, 3 x week, athletes to be retested on vertical jumps, sprints, and muscle power three days
after the last WBVT. I can&#039;t find any results of this study so if anyone knows of it, I&#039;m interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic leaves me with questions:</p>
<p>* Was the Massey university testing actually done? The results were due out end of March, 07, so that&#8217;s right now.</p>
<p>* Results of the testing relate only to the specific vibration platform used in the tests &#8211; a Vibrogym platform set to vibrate at between 30 and 50Hz moving up and down either 2mm or 5mm each cycle and to the particularity of the test ie what is being tested.</p>
<p>When I read about this test (a few months ago) it looked interesting until I read that the testing involved 30 volunteers deliberately inducing muscle injury by running downhill on a treadmill and then the treatment group will use WBV for 5 consecutive days of 15 minute sessions while the control group does nothing. Blood testing will be done to determine the degree of inflamation decrease over the 5 days.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered why consecutive days of WBV are being used when at least one days rest between sessions is generally recommended.</p>
<p>I also wondered why injury was being induced rather than using healthy people using the machine but the newspaper article seems to answer this..ACC are maybe funding this.</p>
<p>Why has Dr Broadbent made comments before the results are known and why comment on areas outside of the scope of the Massey uni tests.</p>
<p>Also when I was looking at aspects of WBV I found a mention of Massey uni (NZ) doing testing in 2003 using a Gallileo system 26 Hz, displacement = 10 mm, over 5 weeks, 3 x week, athletes to be retested on vertical jumps, sprints, and muscle power three days<br />
after the last WBVT. I can&#8217;t find any results of this study so if anyone knows of it, I&#8217;m interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/01/exercise-lecturer-cautions-against-vibration-training-claims/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you will notice though , most have picked their fights and run away already .

So please keep visiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you will notice though , most have picked their fights and run away already .</p>
<p>So please keep visiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/01/exercise-lecturer-cautions-against-vibration-training-claims/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is aimed at people who want to learn. Anybody and everbody. Unfortunatly it was always going to be targeted by those who&#039;s only motive for being in the industry is to make money, at any cost.

By definition these people fear the education of the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is aimed at people who want to learn. Anybody and everbody. Unfortunatly it was always going to be targeted by those who&#8217;s only motive for being in the industry is to make money, at any cost.</p>
<p>By definition these people fear the education of the public.</p>
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