Exercise Lecturer Cautions Against Vibration Training Claims
Dr Sue Broadbent is a lecturer in exercise prescription at the Institute of Human Nutrition and Health in Wellington, New Zealand. She makes the following statements in New Zealand’s Sunday Star Times.
“There’s some evidence it may improve fitness and yield better results than normal resistance training with weights, but it’s not increasing cardiac fitness at all.
“In other words, it won’t prevent you having a heart attack and it’s not going to help you lose weight or increase your metabolic rate.” From the Sunday Star Times.
Broadbent is heading up reseach commissioned by NZ’s Accident Compensation Comission who funds the rehabiliation of injured athletes.
“There is anecdotal evidence that whole body vibration may reduce inflammation associated with soft tissue injury. But we don’t know if that’s true, or how it’s supposed to work.”
101 Comments
- Mike Hair
January 27th, 2007The comments by Dr. Sue Broadbent that vibration training will not help you lose weight are totally unfounded.
This week in our local paper there is an artical from a local sports journalist stating how going 3 times a week to vibration training for 10 weeks has seen him loose 7kg and 5% body fat, that was with no other form of exercise. He states his arms and legs are more toned and energy levels are higer.He goes on to say for the first time in 2 years he is able to jog without suffering any patella tendonitis in his knee.The proof is in the pudding Dr. Sue Broadbent!
- Mike Hair
January 27th, 2007The above mentioned article can be found at http://www.stuff.co.nz/3941476a6565.html
- mike hair
January 27th, 2007Please disregaurd the pose in the above article, i was out of the room at the time when the reporter took the shoot. This was simply a photo oppurtunity. The machine was unplugged at the time, and at no stage do we ever put people in this posture.
Glad to hear that Mike !!!
One good thing will come from Dr Sue Broadbent’s statement. I get to show the exercise industry in real time what kind of irresponible people are in charge of the publics health.
And why they shouldn’t be.
To make it perfectly clear Sue Broadbent’s public statement says,
” There’s some evidence it may improve fitness and yield better results than normal resistance training with weights , but it’s not increasing cardiac fitness at all ”
” In other words , it won’t prevent you having a heart attack and it’s not going to help you lose weight or increase your metabolic rate ”
Why the mention of cardiac fitness ?
It is not a promise I have seen yet , even from the really dodgy marketers .
That’s like saying ” but your car doesn’t fly ” as though it proves something ?????
Also considering numerous studies over the last 20 yrs have found resistance training to reduce risk of heart attacks , lower body-fat% and increase metabolism. In fact walking back and forth to your letter box is apparently better than nothing. I find the whole thing quite baffling.
- Phillip
January 28th, 2007Lloyd I know that vibration training does lose weight, I have experienced it myself
When I do a vibration training workout, My muscles get fatigued and I sweat. Could you eplain that for me Dr Broadbent? would that not be getting my metabilisiom going?
- Angela McKee
January 28th, 2007* For people who want to get back into sport and be injury free.
* Balancing up your body and being able to walk and jog again pain free.
* When people put on weight and are very heavy they want to loose weight but need help to get started.
* Strength and power for athletes
With Vibration training you don’t need to run or jump but squat, lunge, dips, and press-up in beginner styles to use your large muscle groups to burn energy/fat.
Add any cardio work out with Vibration training and you will change your body forever.
Angela McKee is N.Z.s top high jumper and a Medal winner at the Commonwealth Games.
Has used multiple units over the last 18months.
Dr Sue Broadbent’s artical is titled
” REAL ATHLETES DON’T FEEL THOSE GOOD VIBRATIONS ”
So whats it like not to be considered a “real” athlete Angela ?
And did everybody pick up the comment ” Although getting fit while lying down… ”
Did Dr. Broadbent even take the time to read the manual that came with her Vibro-Gym ?
To much effort I suppose.
- Phillip
January 29th, 2007Yes I picked that up Lloyd, Makes you wonder what sort of research Dr Broadbent is doing and how effective the results will be.
It wasn’t a very balanced article maybe the paper has edited it to the point that it doesnt,t make any sense and seems to contradict itself.
Either that or as you point out, what sort of people have we got running/advising the public health system!!
She seems to have prejudged, and like a lot of propeller heads because they cant figure out why something is happening then they assume it cant be happening i.e weight loss.
Oh well I just keep vibration training and put my weight loss down to a figment of my imagination!!
- Sam Lee
January 31st, 2007hmm, Lloyd, I seem to remember you being interviewed on National Radio and admitting that you had no evidence to back up your studios weight loss claims and agreeing with the interviewer that any such claims were unethical?
I think the researcher is really just stating what current research backs up. Vibration Training offers many benefits but it is not a cardio workout - Phillip
January 31st, 2007Sam where has anyone made the claim that it is a cardio workout?
Also, I go to a vibration studio and duiring my workout on static poses my muscles burn and I sweat, and I lose weight, I dont need research to tell me that
- Sam Lee
February 1st, 2007Phillip,
If you can point me to one study that shows that vibration training has a significant impact on a persons metabolic rate i will be convinced.
Sam
- Kate Roburn
February 1st, 2007No one has been making claims that vibration training is a cardio workout (at least not anyone with any scruples!!).
But is everyone forgetting that research shows that muscle training also burns calories… even after you have stopped training? The statement that the only way to “lose weight” is to do cardio seems a little tunnel visioned.
I have been doing vibration training for about 4 months now and have lost about 8% body fat WITH NO OTHER EXCERCISE, and NO DIET. It’s not easy - I swear, I grunt, I groan, I complain all the way through and at the end of my workout I look like someone who has been dragged through a prickly bush the wrong way! And then 5 minutes later I feel fabulous!! Due to bad joints (which vibration training has also helped) I am unable to do almost any cardio - so I seem to be another of these people that have somehow miraculously ‘poofed’ their weight away….
I personally believe that anyone saying they don’t get any results from vibration training are usually coasting or doing the wrong thing on the wrong machines - I see a lot of people who go to the same studio I do and they do easy squats, easy lunges, etc… and as soon as it gets hard they say they’ve had enough. I think a lot of people who knock vibration training are forgetting that it isn’t a quick fix and it isn’t supposed to be easy. I have a friend that sometimes comes with me to my local studio (a couple of times a month) and then complains that she doesn’t get her results!!!
It’s simple - YOU GET OUT WHAT YOU PUT IN!!
What I agreed to was that sufficent atudies had not been done. Thanks to researchers like Dr. Broadbent not completing studies on weight loss when obtaining units.
The research the Dr, is doing are repeats of studies already done overseas. So a certain positive outcome is assured.
This is how academics not “real” researchers try to justify their existance. But unfortunatly also slows actual research down .
No claims for cardio have been made to date. So the statement was quite obviously designed to give her interview some credibility.
Their would be no other reason for it.
If those reading this blog find my above statement a little harsh. Thats ok.
I will not pull punches on this one .
Simple study to follow on BMR activity after Vibration Training. And the units where not complete.
http://www.pmlfilestore.com/vibratrain/pdfs/Metabolic-Study-Shows-Promise.pdf
- Briar Williamson
February 3rd, 2007I have been doing vibra train for a year now I was a size 18 in four months I went down to a size 14 I am now between size 12 & 14 (xmas mince pies) I am more toned love my boby shape much fitter & have more energy to burn and have notice a lot more health benifits cheers
- Kris
February 4th, 2007Briar,
Did you use several different WBV machines or just one? To get those results how often and how long do you train? And how many postures must one use? Can one get those results with simple static postures @ 3 times a week, 10 minutes each?
Thanks.
- Phillip
February 4th, 2007Sam,
I ask you again, who is making the claim that vibration training is a cardio workout?
Regarding you question ” What studio has a significant impact on metabolic rate” I will repeat
I do vibration training - My muscles burn, I sweat, I lose body fat %, I tone.Perhaps you can explain why that is happening?
- Phillip
February 4th, 2007And Sam, from what i have seen at the studio I go to, and from reading this and other websites I am not alone in the results I get from vibration traing
- Mark
February 4th, 2007Wow! a bit of heated debate out there huh?! However surely Dr Broadbent deserves a billion times more respect than what she is being shown on this blog, after all How many years have you all spent studying Exercise prescription and it’s effects on the human body? take that and double it and i’m pretty sure you’ll fall well short. Can the petty arguments and let’s have a measured discussion guys and girls.
Go for the retraction Llyod can you put your money where your mouth is? I think you need to be pretty careful in how you bag somepeople it won’t take long till someone bites back. - Laura Smith
February 4th, 2007I agree with Mark. I came to this website thinking it would be an intelligent discussion on vibration training but all it seems to be is a bunch of vibra train groupies slagging off the competition and anyone that disagrees with them.
- Laura Smith
February 4th, 2007Lloyd,
The BMR study you showed is interesting. BMR accounts for 60-70% of your calories expended. So an 18% increase for someone someone expending say 2,000 calories a day would be about 235 calorie increase in expenditure a day. Thats not bad but its a fair way off the 1,000 calories in 10 minutes i’ve seen in your adds. Can you explain the difference?
Laura Mark..
Last time I checked respect is earnt by repeated actions , not a piece of paper on a wall.I learnt this very young when a very respected mortician showed me his certification , and pointed out it never once did a body for him in the middle of the night.
Dr. Broadbent used her offical title and Massy Universities name , to make unproven definitive statements in a published artical.
This goes against the ethics code she was taught as part of her Doctorate.
A retraction will be the least of her problems.
I would also like to point out the Dr’s Exercise Prescription background has never covered Vibration Training/Therapy.
Mark…
I have put my money where my mouth is , funding , designing , building machines and promoting vibration training in an ethical fashion.Where working for a certain less scupulous company could have made me millions and seen a monopoly in the market.
My goals are much further afield. Justifying my existence and reputation is something I personally have little time for.
You can all judge me later when I die. As apparently that’s what it takes to get noticed.
Maybe the Dr. was confusing us with these guys.
Note ..
Head on unit in picture , top , middle .I dont even know what to say to this.
- Mike Hair
February 6th, 2007Wow, i can not believe what lengths some people are prepared to go too just to make a dollar. And it also increases cardio fitness!!! i’ll take 3 please.
(i wonder if it does the dishes???)
May be by putting her head on it she gets a face lift. LOL. I could understand it if she was blonde.
- Mark
February 6th, 2007So the research trial that was compleated to enable her to draw these conclusions is not an action in your mind? Again, a highly respected Doctorate holder in her field with many years of peer reviewed research entitles her to the respect we speak of. the “retraction the least of her worries” wow that sounds like a threat!
- Sam Lee
February 6th, 2007National radio interview with Lloyd Shaw and Dr Sue Broadbant October 06.
Interviewer “Lloyd, I mean it looks pretty conclusive and pretty convincing that the whole weight loss and cellulite offer or promise is somewhat tenuous. You would have to agree that there is no proof out there wouldn’t you?”
Lloyd Shaw: “100% the Doctors correct. One of the biggest problems we have had is marketers getting involved. I’ll give you a good example not naming one of the companies”
Interviewer: “But hold on Lloyd you’ve got weight loss and cellulite reduction on your site so I think its dangerous for you to be dissing the industry”
Lloyd Shaw: “No thats what I do…2 or 3 years of research made me realise that most of it is not true”
- Sam Lee
February 6th, 2007Lloyd,
With comments like that maybe you should be the first person “cleaned up” for dishonesty by your new organisation.
Sam We were particularly discussing past units. Not mine. And the misleading advertising surrounding those machines.
Remember I was Power-Plates Product Manager. And had a much better understanding of this issue than the Dr.
And at the time the Dr. had not even started any studies. She was just reading old reports from old machines. Which I agreed where dubious at best. I myself had discarded them 12 months earlier.
Why she then sourced those same units is beyond me.
Sam Lee….
your comments seem to deliberatly leave out very relevant details of the converstation. Considering you must have a recording of the show , it would not be a stretch to believe you are in the industry.This makes you look very dishonest. Better try next time.
- Sam Lee
February 6th, 2007Lloyd,
I’m sorry but thats simply not true. I’m happy to post a link to the audio file but its quite clear that the interviewer was referring to vibration training in general and in particular was asking you why you put weight loss on your website when you had agreed that it was not proven. (The interviewer sounded very surprised that you were admitting to making false claims).
Seems to me that its you who are being unethical and not the good Dr.
Sam
I stand by MY product . And my statements.
With my real name and occupation attached. For everybody to see.
I worked by myself , day after day , night after night , developing my units , matching programs and proving theory’s, with no help from those academics trying to justify their existance.
AND TIME HAS PROVEN ME RIGHT , AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
As RESULTS are not symantic. And can not be argued with for long.
It will be interesting to see if the Dr. comes onto this site , of her own free will , one day to admit her lack of vision.
So Sam Lee ..
if your comments are valid. Put up your real name and occupation so you can stand by them at a later date.Also important to note..
Their is no such thing as
” Vibration Training ” this is a generic term coined only for the public.No academic would ever dumb something so complicated down to a marketing term.
- Phillip
February 6th, 2007Dont hold your breath Lloyd, Sam Lee is being selective, didn’t or probably couldn’t answer my last questions to him. He has an agenda, which even I can see through.
January 27th, 2007
A Dr. Sue Broadbent here in N.Z. , a lecturer in exercise prescription at the Institute of Human Nutrition and Health , has made a definitive statement in a national newspaper
Vibration Training ….
“It’s not going to help you lose weight or increase your metabolic rate ”
With no tests completed by herself , on any units designed for weight loss , that is an unqualified remark . Which is highly unethical given her position.
I will be calling for her resignation or public retraction if proven wrong. As her words could stop those , who need it most , from seeking help.