Which Vibration Machine?
Doc asks:
I am in the process of setting up a weight and life style disease management center. I would appreciate if anybody could help me make a choice out of Galileo and Turbosonic. Please explain why the machine you choose is better. This could mean a lot to me because I have never used any WBV machine. I am really counting on your opinion.
Written by Lloyd Shaw on November 15th, 2006
651 Comments
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Anna….
You must understand I have no intention of entering my label into the retail market in any way shape or form. The global market is huge and I am happy with the studio concept I have developed.
I want competition , I want other good models on the market, so we actually have an industry not a monopoly.
Monopoly = Stagnant/Lazy Market last time I checked.
We will be in your area soon. Thats going to happen as sure as the sun comes up.
- Gail
February 7th, 2008Anna - it looks like you are going to have to open your own studio and then Lloyd could come and train you! LOL
I am in Canada. I purchased the WAVE which is made in Canada and had enough of Lloyd’s recommendations to help me decide to purchase. It took me over a year to decide as I was highly concerned with safety. My biggest concern is that something better will show up for the home and I have already spent my $10,000.00. It was worth the gamble though to see what the machine will do for me in the next few months. I already have a full gym in my basement which I use 6 days a week on various machines, WBV was a logical next step. Good luck.
- Anna
February 7th, 2008Lloyd,
Just one more question if I may, does one achieve same results training on machines such as Hypergravity Pro, BodyShaker Pro, Vibrogym Pro compared to Vibra-train machine equivalent. I know you have several models for various uses.
This question should really be backed up by others who have used both systems , so my answer does not seem too biased towards my own work.
The “Bullet” ( which is my closest equivalent unit ) has the complete 9 part equation accounted for and hence not only has a special feel about it , but is designed to produce a different result than other existing machines.
- Marcus
February 7th, 2008Eh, “different result”. In what way?
The design and equations were aimed at peak body composition change , in selected tissue. I will be releasing much more detailed work on this later .
Note: I am completely “results based” . If I could not improve on the technology I would not waste my time or resources. I would just buy someone elses.
- Mike Hair
February 8th, 2008Hi Anna,
I own vibrogym’s, have imported hyper-gravity’s and have also spent a week with Lloyd on his machines. I can only comment on what the difference feels like.
The vibrogym on high can feel harsh if you are not in the correct posture.
The hypergravity is similar in response just a bit smoother. Lloyds machines just can not be compared to others on the market, its like comparing a mini to a rolls royce.
As far as results are concerned as long as wbv is part of an all round program you will see results.
I don’t believe the other companies have the passion or knowledge that Lloyd has for this industry so I don’t believe they will ever catch up, but if they do Lloyd will just release the next model. - bb
February 9th, 2008Lloyd or anyone that can answer 3 questions.
1) is what is the cost of the wave pro they don’t give a cost on the web site?
2) Pro Plate claims a 3 dimmensial plate. I heard that it is that way because the motorers are unstable and it’s not really design that way they just can’t fix the problem. Is this true?
3)Is there any studies comparing the different WBV equipment?
I am getting ready to buy a WBV machiene just trying to get the best one. I am in the USA. I am leaning towards the hypergravity.
Feel free to e-mail me with information@Lifetimer3berry@aol.com
Thank
BB
- bb
February 9th, 2008Lloyd,
Long day on my post 3 questions. 2 is about the power plate not pro plate.
Thanks,
BB Yes , the Powerplate does move in 3D , and to my knowledge this was not meant to be. I was told it was going to be strictly 2D movement and an improvement on the older model ( Vibro-Gym ) which did have a slight 3D vibration , but never enough to worry about in my opinion. Power-Plate was aware Fit-Vibe had spent considerable time contolling the movement of their new platform.
When the Next Generation arrived the movement was clearly uncontrolled and worse than the last model.
After some time Powerplate released marketing material saying that it was meant to move like that?
Yea right.
- Anna
February 10th, 2008Lloyd/BB
Cost of Wave Pro USD $17,000.
- Anna
February 10th, 2008Lloyd,
Is it worth waiting for an improved technology vibrating machine. Is this likely to happen, if so how long do you think we will have to wait. And who / which manufacturer is likely to take the next step up.
Have you yourself considered releasing a unit suitable for home environment.
regards,
Anna - Gail
February 10th, 2008The WAVE Pro sells for $15,000.00 CND with $1000.00 shipping and installation. I was emailed the price recently before I purchased the personal model.
The personal model just dropped from $9700.00 to $8500.00 and $500.00 shipping.
I was told that both models performed the same with the Pro having a touch screen and bigger platform and it’s much more clunky looking. I tried it and loved it.
Hope this helps. I don’t think our Canadian dollar would make that much of a price difference, we are staying around par right now.
- Anna
February 10th, 2008Gail,
Wave Pro
Yes you’re correct USD$15,000 plus shipping cost to Aust which is lot more than $500…I think that’s why I had $17,000 in my head.
anna Anna…
Commercial….
Higher performance machines will never really come down in price due to material costs. Some companies will be able to lower cost on the production side by going to places like China or India ( but that carries its own risks for the consumer and producer ).
The benchmark we have created in the commercial sector will in fact raise the price as people who run a business demand larger platforms , better function , longer warranties and learn to compare products before purchase.
Companies will soon be unable to promote “commercial” models unless they really do fit that grade. I predict we will see alot of “middle of the road” companies go under. Too expensive for home , not good enough for a Gym or studio.
Note: People who want a studio quality machine at home for a low price are going to be very dissapointed. Basic engineering principles do apply to this machinery .
Note: The new Vibro-Gym is up in price by a few thousand. Approx. $18+tax ( N.Z.)
Lower energy machines ( Vibration Therapy ) for the home market will come down to a more realistic level but not due to manufacturing cost , the public will just wise up to the fact they are being ripped off now.
New technology…..?
Who knows , lots of smart people in the world. But at present most companies are using traditional technolgy to create vibration , and you will see variations of this from time to time but nothing to wait for.
I think the big breakthroughs will come when companies truly understand that simply making something that vibrates is not good enough and demand a higher level of education in the industry.
Some ideas cannot be released untill this happens.
I have no intention of entering the Pro or Domestic market. But will instead support those who do their best to offer a good honest product .
It is not in the industries/consumers best interests for any one company to dominate all markets.
- Anna
February 11th, 2008Lloyd,
In your experience, who are the manufacturers of Commercial, Higher Performance machines, that will sell directly, cost is not an issue.
regards,
Anna HyperGravity ( Gym-O-Vibe )
Vibro-Gym ( Evolution )- Anna
February 11th, 2008Lloyd,
HyperGravity (Gym-O-Vibe) is this a model which is not featured on their website ?
Vibro-Gym (Evolution) I have enquired about this model with the rep here in Australia, he was doing his best to talk me out of it. He said they have to change their motors as the current motors are under powered. Are you aware of this information. Can you please explain to me how is the Evolution better than the Vibro-Gym Pro ? Yes I was aware that Vibro-Gym where having problems with their new model as of 12 months ago , and I am concerned about the lack of confidence that their own rep displays , but at least he was being honest.
I have confidence however that the product will be up to spec when released, how long that takes may be the defining factor though in how well they catch the market.
The HyperGravity should be available , contact them directly to confirm this. Report any problems you have , if any.
Please note…
My advice is based on “your best bet” scenerio from a consumer point of view. I take into account not only what a company is trying to do , but a sum of its past behaviour.
I cannot unfortunatly fix these guys problems or make them understand Vibration Training principles. All I can do is educate , educate and educate some more.
Arrogance will stop some from listening.
Hi Anna,
You can view the gym-o-vibe at http://www.hypergravity.net .- Grace
February 13th, 2008Thanks everyone for all your sharing of ideas and comments. I am interested in obtaining a vibe machine for my PT clinic and so far have only been communicating with the Turbosonic folk. They say they are FDA approved with available CPT codes for billing as a therapeutic machine. Has anyone had other experiences with the other brand machines and whether they are billable for insurance reasons? Thanks for any comments and advice.
Grace Hi Grace,
Where are you based? I have a client training at my studio in Canada also going through extensive physiotherapy for a leg injury, what I have found so far is that vibration training specifically is not covered/ billable for insurance. If I operated my plates in a physiotherapy clinic they would be covered as part of the required rehab training. Because my clinic is a personal training set up I can not get coverage to bill insurance companies for the training.I have tried most of the major “brands” out there, (not Lloyd’s yet though!), the turbosonic is purely a therapeutic machine, not enough to really “train” the muscles. There is another link here about the turbosonic equipment, I recommend checking it out too.
I suspect it will be some years off before MedSafe/FDA ( depending on your country ) pass Vibration Training units as medical devices that would give insurance companies the confidence to list them.
Qualifications will also need to be in place. At present none exist.
Then it will only be listed for certain and very specific treatments , some companies are going for things like Osteoporosis now. But even if they get it , one criteria out and it means nothing.
Note: Once the medical community comes to an agreement on even the most basic of principles , we step into a billion dollar industry overnight.
ACC ( Accident Compenstation ) “package treatments” by physios should be able to be claimed against.
- Nicola
February 20th, 2008Hi this is a message for Lloyd - firstly thank you for going to so much trouble to answer everyone’s questions, it’s appreciated.
I am very much a lay person and have only recently become aware of vibration training during some research into back pain of which I am a sufferer!
Prior to having a baby who is now 1 year old, I was reasonably fit, running 3-4 times per week and I suspect this is where my back trouble first started.
To cut a very long story short, I am now unable to do any aerobic exercise until I get to the stage where my back and core muscle strength will enable me to do so without injuring myself further - hence my interest in Vibration training.
I am based in Cheshire in the UK and there are no vibration studios nearby and so I have been thinking about purchasing a unit - but obviously need to identify the best one to suit my needs. I would like to use the machine as part of a regular fitness routine once I my back is better.
I also suffer from bad circulation (reynauds disease) and have varicose veins and poor connective tissue so you can see why vibration training seems like such an attraction for me - don’t even get me started on to the cellulite - lol! I’m such a catch!
I really would appreciate any advice you might have or any suggestions you have about where I could get advice in the UK. I understand from some of the posts that you also have your own website, although I haven’t spotted it noted down anywhere - could you perhaps send me the details?
Thanks again,
Nicola
Thinking of adding WBV to a chiropractic office,
mixing betweeen rehab/treatment/therapy and exercise training.Fom the little I have read, LESS amplitude is better, ie 2mm, and 30hz or thereabouts is best.
Is this correct^ ?
What machine(s) may fall in to my needs in NYC USA.
Thanks
VicContact Wavexercise or HyperGravity.
Cheaper unit may do but I could not account for the quality.
Hi Lloyd
I live in the uk and was hoping you would be able to advise me on the following machine. I have seen one called the DKN Pro Trainer (Light Commercial Grade) and just wanted to know if I would be wasting my money!
Many thanks
AmyYes , waste of money. Light therapy machine at best.
- Amy
March 27th, 2008Thanks Lloyd for your quick reply!
Please would you mind looking at the following for me?
http://www.powerhouse-fitness.co.uk/store/product.asp?dept_id=200&pf_id=Vibratec_VB2_Club
I can’t find much info on the internet, I am assuming though it is the same standard as the DKN? Looks like I need to spend well over £2000 to get anything decent!
Thanks in advance
Amy
That unit is sold under a few names…
Just passable as a home unit but without unbiased feedback it is hard to say.
As long as you understand that anything under a certain quality is always going to be a lighter version of what we use in a staudio.
Lloyd, On your home page there are listed web sites listed for different machines, that probably are of poor quality etc. One in particular is the vibratrim. I ordered one, tried it for 10 seconds and sent it back. Its just one of those wobble boards. Also I was charged a $210 restocking fee for a $1100 item. Lloyd I guess you have no control over what ads google places on your website. Buyer beware with vibratrim!
- Amy
March 28th, 2008Lloyd
Could you tell me the other names that the machine is sold under? Also, I appreciate that this is not going to be the same quality as a studio piece of equipment, however, is this just going to be more of a therapy rather than training machine?
Sorry have no idea how many and it would not help as there would be another 5 tomorrow. You will need to identify it by sight. Thats why we dont use names and just specs and photos of the machines on this site.
So the consumer can learn to “sight” the fakes.
Lloyd, if you don’t use names on this site why is there a add or website listed for vibratrim at the top of this page?
- Amy
March 29th, 2008Lloyd
Sorry, one more question! If I can talk my husband into it, which out of the two would you recommend - Hypergravity (personal) or the Vibrogym (domestic). You have probably covered this but my head is spinning!!!
Amy
Phillip…
I do not admin this site , the ones up top are Google adverts. The site also has a links page for companies.
It is the bloggers that cant place adverts or viral market. Our the board would be swamped with lazy marketers in no time.Some companies/machines may get mentioned but you need to be either really bad or really good. This is primarily a discission board and educating people what to look for is better.
Amy…
No choice , Hypergravity.
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February 6th, 2008
Lloyd,
As usual your feedback is sensible and practical, thank you. My only hope is you’ll consider setting up a studio in Albury NSW.