Which Vibration Machine?
Doc asks:
I am in the process of setting up a weight and life style disease management center. I would appreciate if anybody could help me make a choice out of Galileo and Turbosonic. Please explain why the machine you choose is better. This could mean a lot to me because I have never used any WBV machine. I am really counting on your opinion.
Written by Lloyd Shaw on November 15th, 2006
651 Comments
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- MikeyB
October 2nd, 2007Yeah I have always wondered when a platform become an old ladies massage pillow.
Thanks Lloyd
- Tamzin
October 3rd, 2007Thanks everyone. My spine is too straight, not due to posture, but due to an unusual form of structural scoliosis, whereby the spine twists around the vertical axis, but does not really deviate laterally. Its also thoracic, rather than lumbar or cervical. It’s combined with connective tissue hyperelasticity.
Another question - any comments on the bodyaction machine - seems similar again and is avail in the UK???Thankyou
- Di Heap
October 3rd, 2007Tazmin
My partner has Scheuermann’s kyphosis which is also in the thoracic area of the spine. His spine is curved to one side and forward but not too badly. Different to your condition but just to tell you, he uses a (high quality) lineal vibration machine and has no problems. He particularly likes a stretch position that involves leaning forward while standing on the platform and would do that repeatedly if allowed to but it’s part of an overall program so he doesn’t get to just do that. He does the whole program really well on a high force (sports) machine as he is a runner - something else he is theoretically unable to be.
Are you able to get to a good quality Studio and try out. That way you can see what works for you. I’ve mentioned the stretch position as the one my partner likes best because that it the sort of position I would expect him to dislike given the spine curvature that shows on his xrays.
Others will advise you on machines for home use but I suggest you try out a Vibrogym Lineal machine in a studio if you can (and if this suggestion is wrong then Lloyd or Mike will correct me). It’s extremely important that you have a proficient Instructor and that you make sure they know about your condition. You can contact Lloyd through his website (click on the link on his name) and he could better advise you on what’s available in the UK.
Tamzin…
We dont like endorsing just the names of actual product on the forum as in the past keeping the name the same and “quality fading” the product has become the norm.
We dont mind giving warning of bad products though as we have yet to see ” quality improvement” on a brand.
We prefer you to read our articles and make a good choice through the information given.
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/05/choosing-a-vibration-machine-for-home
- Suzi
October 5th, 2007Hi,
I am researching for a relatively cheap home machine for my mother who has multiple sclerosis. My mother saw a Power Maxx Vibrations model advertsied in a magazine which got her interested in getting one however I don’t particularly think this is a good model with only 9 speeds and three automatic programmes. This is all the information available in the magazine and could not find much on the internet about this model.
Does anyone have any comments on the Body Sculpture BM1500 Power Trainer Vibration Plate?
I have also been reading about the Crazy Fit Massager but comments on this forum indicate that it is not a good buy.
I myself have used the Vibro Gym in a JJB Fitness Club however this is not an option as it is too expensive, any comments on models similar to the Vibro Gym would be most appreciated.
Many Thanks for any advice
Body Sculpture is not a Vibration Training machine. Those types of units only give more of a local tonic physio reflex.
Look carefully at the unit below, not just the name of the machine, but what it actually looks like ..
This would be a “minimum” requirement to start training with.
If need be , print it off , go into a local importer of sports products and ask them ” can you get me this or something VERY similar ”
If you need me to clear it first , get them to send me the specs and promo material to my e-mail you will find at vibra-train.com
- Suzi
October 6th, 2007Thanks for the advice Lloyd, I appreciate it
- maureen
October 9th, 2007Man can this get crazy or what?
I thought I was getting there…
But now which is best..
a single plate or double plate.
want to lose more weight and stabalise..
I am fit and play golf but prone to pick up weight very quickly.
thanks - Harvey
October 11th, 2007Suzi
Which area of the UK are you in?
Maureen…
The double plates you mention are actually Pivotal units.- Suzi
October 14th, 2007Harvey,
Perth, Scotland
- Harvey
October 15th, 2007Suzi
I beieve The Fitness Lounge - is doing something up your way - they may be able to offer a solution?
- Marcus
October 17th, 2007Lloyd,
I´m soon starting up a small studio with 3-4 machines. My question is: Do you think the Hypergravity machines can be compared to the European Fitvibe and Vibro-Gym in terms of quality, durability performance.
It´s a lot less expensive, and the company will ship them to Europe. The Hypergravity is almost identical to the Vibro-Gym in function and feel. Ask Mike Hair what he thinks as he has both systems.
The FitVibe is a better looking model but slightly lighter function.
Durability should be about the same if all companies are still building to recent standards, which at the moment seems to be the case (FitVibes open dealings with Asain manufacturors though makes me very uneasy)
- Marcus
October 18th, 2007Thank´s for quick response lloyd
Ok, then i turn to you Mike. Which one is your choise?
The Vibrogym or the Hypergravity (Pro models) For studio purposes? - mike Hair
October 18th, 2007Hi Marcus
I think if the hypergravity is the cheaper of the 2 then you should go for that, it is a bit quieter than the vibro-gym and has a warranty you can extend each year up to 10 years. The vibro-gym has easier electronics to use, simple push of a button, although the hypergravity is quite simple as well.
Mike
- Marcus
October 19th, 2007Many thank´s to you Lloyd and Mike for the advices.
Marcus
We are a Body Wrap Salon that ’s looking for a total body vibration machine to help with weight loss and toning. Our wraps are for inch loss and detoxification. We wanted a vibration machine that helps with lymphatic drainage as that it what are wraps promote. We are looking at Vibra Slim , Power Plate and the Proellixe. We have heard that some machines can cause aches and paines after a work out. Is there one that is better than the other? Is it hard to get trained or what kind of back round knowledge do you need to train clients on these machines?
Both Pivotal and Lineal units would give you lymphatic fliud movement but the companies you mention do not have good reputations. Little knowledge , lots of marketing.
Where do you live , we may be able to recommend you something appropriate.
It would depend on your choice of unit what level of training you need.
- Phil
October 26th, 2007Hi Lloyd,
I have spent quite some time reading through your forums & have a bit more insight into WBV thanks to you.
I am in Sydney, Australia & was about to go down the same shaky path that so many other seem to have in purchasing a cheap Chinese machine (http://www.downunderimports.com.au/vibe.htm)
My question is - for home use, I am mostly interested in muscle strength, toning, back/core strength, flexibility & weight loss/maintenance benefits more so than cellulite reduction or massage benefits - what machines can you recommend that would be available in Australia or could be shipped over at reasonable cost.
I understand you cannot post this sort of information as it will appear to be advertising, so you have my email address for any correspondence.
I am asking for your honest opinion & knowledge on these matters as are there just seems to be far too many pitfalls for the uneducated out there & I am trying to get some no nonsense education fast.
Also can you tell me more about the Galileo machines as there could be an opportunity for me to source one of them ex studio used at a reasonable price locally (http://www.galileowholebodyvibration.com.au) - can you give me your opinion on this as I was told that it is “old technology” now by a simple user who doesn’t know enough technically to explain their claim…
Any words of wisdom & guidance are much appreciated.
Regards,
Phil
Loyd,
We are located in Central Florida- There are now so many machines out there, they all say they do this and that, a little direction into a product that actually does what it says, is made well and easy to operate is what we are looking for. Any input from you would be great.Phil & Rith…
Please read this article carefully…
http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/05/choosing-a-vibration-machine-for-home
Anything less than those specs will give you ambibuous results at best, hurt you at worst . With the shear amount of units around my best advice is to be willing to do some tyre-kicking.
If you are not good at machanics , talk to friend who is and get their advice, being a specialist in vibration training is not needed if the basics are understood.
Phil…
An old Galileo unit would be great to grab , it does the same job as the newer versions.
- Tamzin
October 28th, 2007Thanks all for your help so far.
I looked at the “choosing a machine” questions - which are all positive for the big waves machine i originally used at a gym - solid steel, very heavy & solidly made etc etc, but Lloyd said it was probably sold for $125 when I am being asked over £3000 for it. It is made in China - but so is my TV and half the electrical and consumer goods I buy nowadays, so I don’t quite see why that is a negative?
So I’m still really confused about what to buy. I am only interested in a pivotal unit (having listened to all the comments about how lineal would probably work just as well, but also knowing that they give me more pain afterwards). I need to improve core stability, proprioception and balance.
I have found one other option, which is german made and appears to be very different to anything else on the market
http://www.bauer-sondermaschinen.com/de/sport/fitwip/fitwip.php
It has 2 separate plates, which both seem to almost go in circles, 2-30Hz, Any ideas? The website is only in German I’m afraid.If anyone is happy to e-mail me with any help or ideas, I’d be very grateful. Thanks very much
The reason we have a problem with the Asian units is the very apparent complete lack of knowledge behind such companies and the devices they make.
Considering it is a health product , not a T.V or a toaster. , I believe our concerns are justified. The profiteering aspect just adds to the problem.
The German unit is a specially designed “rebalancing unit ” , which would be perfect for your needs. The controlled movements required by the person is quite advanced and if I was a physio I would purchase one of these without hesitation.
Note: Multi-directional units like the one talked about above are a good idea but please do not get them confused with full on “training” pads.
I would be wary of higher than 5hz settings on devices like these , note the video footage of the unit is only doing approx 1.5Hz. Shearing would be inherent in the movement if done too quickly.
2 of the products below side by side would give a similar effect , with something to hold on to of course.
http://www.shop.com/OSIM_174_uSurf_153_Wave_Action_Exerciser_-38485653-p!.shtml
They can be picked up for about $200 USD. But they would only be for home use.
Lloyd,
We are a body wrap salon in Central Florida and are looking for a total body vibration system the promotes weight loss, toning and lymphatic drainage.
Could you reccomend a machine that does not have after affects of soreness is reputable and does not cost a fortune. We are currently looking at the Proellixe, Power plate and vibra slim.
Thank you
RobinI would not deal with any of the brands you mention for a semi-commercial system. Click on my name and e-mail me from my website. I will find you a decent unit/company at a good price.
- Di Heap
October 30th, 2007My daughter, son, partner and I, all, experienced minor muscle soreness when starting out Whole Body Vibration - a sign that we’d done something new. It’s not bad. You just need to tell your clients of the possibility in a positive way.
My daughter experienced severe soreness after using one of the machines you’re looking at and doing a program that included all sorts of side twisting positions. She’ll never use that program or studio again.
Hello Tamzin,
I clicked into the link you provided and watched the demo video of FITWIP 3D.
Since I cannot read German, I could only try to understand this machine by watching the video and make guess from the German text. I suppose the duo-platform is having a displacement of 14mm and vibrates in multi-direction.
14mm displacement plus multi-directional vibration could be too harsh for knee and hip joints especially if it works at higher frequency.
For balance and proprioception training, I would prefer a good quality pivotal platform like GALILEO; or lineal platform with specific training postures.
TC
- DC
December 4th, 2007Lloyd do you know anything about these guys?
http://www.proellixe.ca/content.php?id=63
Any comments would be highly appreciated. I am considering the HG personal and these guys for Canada.
Thanks in advance.
DC
Go with HG. I have not had good reports about ProEllixe on any level.
- Gail Walter
December 4th, 2007I have heard that the Wave is a very good machine made in Canada. From Wavexercise.
- Betty G
December 6th, 2007Hi Lloyd
Have you ever heard of a Company from Korea by the name of Medieos USA??? They apparently have two offices in the US….one in Texas and one in LA.
They may also go by the name “Fat Burn Easy”??? I find nothing on them (which scares me) and they are very expensive units. Don’t even know if they are a pivotal or lineal units???Thanks for your time!!
Cheap Asian pivotal models. The same company that stung Mike Hair and had no remorse.
http://medieos1.hubweb.net/html/company.html
On top of that the company claims it has developed…
” aerobic multiple exercising machines….”
Untrustworthy idiots.
- mike Hair
December 6th, 2007HI Betty,
Yes I have heard of them I think they are a medical company. I purchased 4 of there machines from an australian con man, over priced and under manufactured. They mostly do pivotal machines but I think they do a lineal as well. My advice…. DON’T WASTE YOUR MONEY
Mike
- Betty G
December 6th, 2007Lloyd -
Thanks for the valuable information. After spending the entire afternoon perusing the various websites - (ugh!), I now feel I have plenty of information to go on, as I am the type that likes “real” facts….and I feel you gave me that Lloyd!! Thanks and thanks to Mike as well!! - Betty G
December 7th, 2007Hi Mike
Do you live in the U.S.??? If so, maybe you can offer me some additional advice on which units are of quality and not a waste of money. My journey through this maze of “ethical” and unethical Vibration Companies has me now questioning everything, (which is a good thing!!).
I have been on a few of the units, one of which was the Medieos USA model and another the Turbosonic. After reading a little more about each of them and hearing from you and Lloyd, I thought with your experiences you could shed some light on which units to look into (whether they are lineal or pivotal units), and then make my decision …let me know!
Thanks much!! - mike Hair
December 7th, 2007Hi betty, I live in New Zealand.
If you are after a home unit that you want to benefit you for years too come I would recommend lineal, either hypergravity or body shaker. I guess it depends on what you want to spend.Mike
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October 2nd, 2007
As to the question of the cheaper units beind promoted as being ok for body massage. I just dont know where the cut off point would be where a “massage” pad becomes an “exercise” platform.
Not my area , sorry.