Which Vibration Machine?
Doc asks:
I am in the process of setting up a weight and life style disease management center. I would appreciate if anybody could help me make a choice out of Galileo and Turbosonic. Please explain why the machine you choose is better. This could mean a lot to me because I have never used any WBV machine. I am really counting on your opinion.
Written by Lloyd Shaw on November 15th, 2006
651 Comments
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- elle
December 18th, 2006Lloyd and Nick, thanks for the reply. I am in Washington, DC. Really, my goal is to get toned and back in shape. I want to feel revitalized. I used the commercial Power Plate in Florida and felt an immediate impact. After further research, however, I’ve discovered that the personal machine is not built so well. I want to make sure that I find a machine that is designed well: durable and safe. To be honest, if I had never gotten on the Power Plate I would still be so skeptical that I would have brushed this technology aside as another Hollywood fad.
Nick- Thank you for the email but, how can I know that Linkage technology is truly the best technology? I am about to make an expensive investment with very little resources. I need to make sure it is the right one. Thanks again. - KG
December 18th, 2006Nick,
I applaud you on getting some studies on your unit.
Is there a website where they are available for viewing?I wish you much success.
So KG…. now you are interested in studies ?
A little while ago you where supporting Power-Plates actions of ” borrowing ” other peoples studies from quality metal units.
But putting then on their untested plastic ones.
I wish you would make up your mind.
- KG
December 18th, 2006How could you not be interested in empirical data regarding these units and their benefits or lack thereof? I’ve never supported or not supported the PowerPlate actions you alledge. You are obsessed with this PowerPlate thing/diatribe. Maybe you got a little too close with them and that’s why you behave like a lover scorned regarding their mere mention. Show them up by publishing your own studies that are overseen by scientists. Negativity is not the answer. Powerplate is THE name when it comes to this industry. Sourgrapes or what can be construed as such coming from you regarding them only puts them in a better light. Just compete with them publish studies in a head to head comparison and go from there. I’m intrigued by Nick’s post and hope his offering will only make all others in the field better for the sake of this technology. I’ve personally enjoyed my expierience with PowerPlate….but personally I prefer the Hypergravity, which I found to be far more powerful and built like a tank. It’s a steal at its price.
- Kris
December 19th, 2006KG,
Are you familiar with the home version of hypergravity as well? Can one do as much with it - for tone and graduating even to some training with it?
KG……You have and do support Power-Plate , it is a matter of record here on the forum.
As long as that is the case, your views will not be taken seriously . You cant have it both ways.
Nick… good luck with the tests.
- KG
December 19th, 2006Kris,
You will be well served with the Hypergravity home unit.
For the value it is far underpriced.
My suggestion is to go to a studio and get 3-8 monitored workouts with a trainer on one of these units(more than likely they will be the industry standard PowerPlate) then take what you’ve learned and employ it on your home unit.You are ahead of the curve. With the advancements in home machines coupled with their lower pricing….
Having to go to a studio and wait in line for a sweaty WBV unit will be thought of in the same light as using a rotary phone or going to the video store for a vhs rental. It will be beyond rare.Best to you Kris.
Yours in WBV…
KG
The Hypergravity home unit , is still the only domestic version to date I would recommend.
I wouldnt recommend though learning how to use such a unit on a lesser speced model like a Power-Plate. The programs will not co-incide with the machines ability.
KG…..
Maybe I am being to hard on you . Not being in the industry yourself , I dont belierve you fully understand the damage Power-Plate has done, and what a set-back it is to those of us who are seriously involved in moving this technology forward.
I estimate its cost us about 10 yrs in public confidence.
- Kris
December 19th, 2006KG,
The problem is we have no such studios yet in our area and I don’t know when there will be any in the near future. Is it really impossible or that unsafe to follow instructions for a home unit without having familiarized oneself with the technology in a studio?
Thanks LLoyd too.
No ,you can learn at home. Just stick to the basics and question exercises that are ouside the norm. And no dynamic.
- Kris
December 20th, 2006This may get too involved for an answer, but could you please list positions considered to be static (non dynamic types) and positions considered to be dynamic. I’m assuming that dynamic does not mean movement but rather “flexing” type positions???
Thanks again.
- Nick Morris
December 20th, 2006Elle,
Your decision making is either to: a.) Personally evaluate all available models yourself OR b.) React to trusted opinion and their ‘third-party’ evaluation of products.
1. The best answer is to educate yourself as fully as possible with all aspects of WBV machines, and then test each applicable machines with a grading system of your most important criteria (as you state: design, durability, safety.)
You can achieve this with a trip to IHRSA in San Francisco March 29-31 2007 - where all current commercial operators of machinery will be present, and you can instantly cross-check like for like.2. Third-party trusted opinion is tough. Do you know many health and fitness professionals with access to the varying qualities of WBV eqpt.
3. I can send you video testimonial of client’s that have used my technology, and can provide video testimonial of people using my technology directly alongside PowerPlate, and their reaction and comment.
4. The information I sent you should explain the differences in technology. Please forward any questions you have outstanding. I am confident with the product I can deliver and will provide you with a money-back guarantee if you are dissatisfied.
Do your homework, ask lots of questions, then enjoy the magnificent benefits of true WBV.
Happy Holidays.
Here to be of any assistance I can be
Nick - Nick Morris
December 20th, 2006Kris,
Standard exercise positions, that you can hold in an “Isometric-style” position
1. ie. a squat position
2. Press-up position
3. Lunge position
4. Various mid-section positions
4. Use some dumbbells to hold further various upper body positions (eg. shoulder press, upright row, bicep curl.)Start with very light weight dumbbells, and focus on extremely good form, posture and position.
Start with 15-30 seconds.
You can work up to 60-90 seconds max (then increse the loading)
- Nick Morris
December 20th, 2006KG / Lloyd,
Many thanks for your best wishes with the studies. I will keep everyone posted with results and further details as they emerge. (Any professors reading this, please contact me if you are interested if committing your departments to a series of WBV study)KG - Lloyd is 100% right with regards the damage PowerPlate has done, and is continuing to do to the Industry. We are passionate professionals who view the industry as being in very early infancy stages. There is enormous scope for development and outreach of application to a massive range of populations and ensuing fantastic results that will hugely enhance their lifestyle.
It is important to set strong ethics, policy and parameters that will create a strong platform to build a fantastic industry. PowerPlate isn’t a champion within these criteria, as is causing potential damage to the industry at large, via its action, attitude and communication.Let’s all commit to a forward thinking plan that ensures the best application of WBV across the many population groups that will ensure them their best results.
Happy Holidays, and here’s to a super progressive ‘07 for WBV with the communication of accurate, safe, comfortable and best performance WBV programs/eqpt to populations at large.
Nick I will be putting up our Basic/Starter workout chart on my website in the new year. With an exact explaination of each pose , the why’s and the dont’s.
- Kris
December 20th, 2006That will be very helpful, Lloyd. Thanks
- Tol & Michelle
January 5th, 2007Is there a machine which would be suitable for training for muscle hypertrophy (either as the sole source of training or as a useful addition to resistance training), for adults of approximately 65-75kg in weight with average to athletic bodymass composition? If so, is the price bracket going to make it a commercial only product, or is it within the reach of a home gym? Oh, and it would help if it was available to UK purchasers! Thanks… T&M
- Jason
January 5th, 2007I think that the Hypergravity Elite Profesional is suitable for you .
Very powerful and very underpriced.
Regards
Hi all -particularly Lloyd.
I’m stuck in Scandinavia.
Has anyone ever heard of a machine called Eurosolar?
Thats the only one I have seen available here.- Kris
January 6th, 2007Check out new Hypergravity Olympic Professional:
http://www.hypergravity.net/compare.html
“Model—————————Hypergravity Olympic Professional (”HOP”)
Materials———————–High graded American Steel
Custom finishes————Brushed Cooper, Brushed stainless steel
Bright nickel or Black nickel Powder coating.
Power source—————-110v–120v ac 60 Cycles
220v–240v ac 50 Cycles (per order only)
Consumption—————–250watts
Remote control————–On / Off
Frequency control———-8 stations with red LED indicator lights
Frequency range————From 25 Hz. to 60Hz. with 5 Hz. increments Timer control——————0 sec, to 120 sec. with green LED Ind.lights
Safety Key———————For authorized Users only
Amplitude————————Low / High
Platform size—————–32″ long X 16″ wide X 9″ height from the floor.
Machine height—————58″ high from the floor.
Weight————————–200 lb.
Warranty———————–1 Year renewable to 10 years parts and labor
Origin—————————-made in the “USA” with Pride!
Max. load———————–300 lb.
Price—————————–$ 5999- “Dare to compare
This machine is the most powerful machine in the market . Comes with Air circulating 6″ fan and bracket, Remote control, 1” thick cushion platform, Platform carpet for bare foot or hands exercises, 2 Wheels for easy transportation, Completely assembled, manual instructions, CD with 30 Numbered exercise pictures for easy exercises by Numbers for Beginners, Intermediate and Advanced training.”They also have an Automatic Olympic Professional!
- Nick Morris
January 6th, 2007Hi Kris,
Where are you based? I have a machine I am willing to compare with The HyperGravity range you appear to be promoting. I am based in Santa Monica. I think it is superior in terms of safety, comfort, functionality, performance, results and price.
I look forward to setting up a comparison test
Best Regards
N. - Jason
January 6th, 2007Hallo Kris
The Olympic Professional or the Elite Professional is the most poweerful ?
Can you tell me which are the diferences?
What is the diference between the Olympic Professional and the Automatic Olympic Professional ?
Im looking forward to buy a hypergravity model and i want to chose the most powerful of the series. So i believe your advice is essential.
Thanks a lot
Jwnni. The Eurosolar is a decent home unit. They have been on the market for a while and no warranty issues have been brought to my attention.
But the Power of the unit will still put it into the Therapy catagory. If thats what its intended use is then a good buy, But not designed for long term weight loss.
- Kris
January 6th, 2007Jason and Nick,
I’m not promoting anything. I’m just at the learning stage. I had heard in this discussion about a newer Hypergravity Olympic Professional model. I wrote for more info and the above was what I was sent in answer. Since it is less expensive than the Hypergravity Elite Professional I assume it may be more of a personal mix with the professional than the Elite but maybe more powerful than other personal models . You can go here for comparison of the various models:
- Pat
January 6th, 2007Hi Lloyd and Nick:
I have been reading your blog and comments about various WBV machines. I am a consumer looking for a top of the line home model under 5k. I have recently been diagnosed with a degenerative disc that came as a complete surprise. Nevertheless, I want a machine that will provide both therapy and training, if possible. I am very impressed with your knowledge and passion. I have been researching for months on various machines and up to this point had pretty much decided on the Hypergravity unit. However, I have not completely made my mind up yet. I am curious Nick that you said you manufacture and sell units comparable to Hypergravity. Can you elaborate more on this?
Thank you for your valued help.
Pat - Nick Morris
January 6th, 2007Hi Pat, where are you based? I have a new form of WBV technology, that I am building form a “grass-roots” approach from center’s in California. (Very similar to Lloyd’s approach in NZ.) We both have very clear vision of the immense and exciting opportunity that WBV has to be a paradigm shifting movement for health and wellness at large.
I am happy to to work with people who have an immediate desire for the most-developed current unit available for personal purchase.
Feel happy to contact me via email on nickolachi@gmail.com, and we can organise some time on the telephone, and if appropriate a demonstration.
I look forward to helping improve your health and lifestyle further
Best Regards
Nick - Jason
January 7th, 2007Hallo
Do anyone know which of the Hypergravity machines is the most powerful ?
- Pat
January 7th, 2007Jason,
If you scroll up to January 6, 2007, Kris gives a link to the Hypergravity website that compares its models to other comparable models. That should help you in your research.
- Mark
January 7th, 2007Guys, i would like to learn more about the theary side of things (how vibration works, how a machine is made etc etc) could one of you help me with where i can get this information?
Cheers
- Nick Morris
January 8th, 2007Hi Mark,
What are your goals?1. I believe in true lineal motion of a platform to create an oscillating effect
a.) I am part of a team that has developed a new patented technology to create this. We call it “Linkage technology”, and it is based on a series of pistons and pulley driven to maintain true lineal motion up and down.
b.) We can create unlimited size platforms and loading capacity.
c.) We can create any range of frequency and amplitude
d.) The durability of machinery is unmatched.2. Key components in manufacture, in addition to the above are:
a.) Weight of the platform
b.) The inertia of movement3. As a company our philosophy is based on Frequency being the decisive factor in application. (This is an alternative to the current trend driven by Bosco’s early research, and the limited technology that was available to investigate further parameters.)
4. We believe amplitude is a factor for intensity of effect (but down-play this in direct relation to the current trend displayed by all current manufacturers)
a.) All our machines are set with regards to frequency first, then calculated with respect of acceleration and the platform weight, to determine what amplitude to use.
a.) We always set the equation (combining freq and amplitude) to ensure the g-force is below 2G
b.) We do this for comfort and safety. (2g’s approximates to strong walking or light jogging)5. We create a large number of machines and programs at low frequencies.
a.) This is based on an integration of Chinese Medicine and Quantum Physics by the effects of certain frequencies on mental, physical and spiritual results in the body
b.) A large number of texts are being translated from chinese into english
c.) I have pilot studies illustrating effect
d.) I have begun further studies to illustrate this, with the goal of peer-reviewed journal publishing in the near future.6. With regards to the “scare-mongering” of lower frequencies.
a.) The science exampling this is based on Industrial use of machinery over long time exposure.
b.) The vibration of such machinery is created with an “impact” ‘peak’ acceleration.
c.) My machinery creates a sinusoidal, continuous wave acceleration - producing a smooth and harmless vibration.7. My company is driven to creating a business that will ensure a WBV unit in ‘every home on the planet.’
a.) We have the technology that will allow for the massive range of demands specific to each individual user.
b.) We believe that the pathway to this creation is through strong education.
c.) Current focus is on the creation of WBV centers, and partnership with key health/wellness professionals that will ensure end-consumers receive the best practice and infomation.
Thus a knowledgeable and discerning audience of custom - Mark
January 8th, 2007Hi Nick, thanks for your comments, it seems you have a clearly defined mission for your business. I am currently in my first year of a sports science degree at Auckland University and have friends who work in the fitness industry, i can see that WBV is a growth area within the industry and would like to learn as much as possible about it. How it works, how the body responds to vibration and the different responses at differing amp and freq. If you could help me or direct me where to go to learn this that would be great
thanks
- Kris
January 8th, 2007If someone peaks after using a personal machine for a long period, is there any trade in value to these machines when upgrading? They are large investments.
- mike Hair
January 8th, 2007Mark
Because you live in Auckland, if you hav’nt already i would encourage you to call in to Vibra-Train head office in victoria st and talk to Lloyd Shaw, i live at the other end of the country and it was the best move i ever took.
Regards Mike
- KG
January 8th, 2007Hello Nick,
I found a Taiwanese manufacturer of “vibration training” devices that refers to “Linkage Technology”.
Is this your unit(s)?
Thanks,
KG
Mark…
I believe you are under the misguided concept that there is somewhere relevant material on the “”theory” of Vibration Training. Maybe a book you could pick up ?You are about to be very dissapointed.
As you are looking at it.
You will only find repetative marketing material
- Sue
January 9th, 2007I have recently purchased a machine for my families use. I have realized after approx. 2 months of use many benefits i.e. relief form arthritis symptoms; improved muscle tone; improved posture; a general improved sense of well being, most importantly I feel like I have been given a new lease on life. I am not a finely tuned athlete looking to optimize training. I am a middle aged individual looking for any reasonable alternative to help me get through every day - and I think I have found a partial solution!! I know very little about WBV - except it works!!
I enjoy reading this blog and appreciate new information. I especially appreciate discussion on FQ and positions to enhance results.
Thank you very much!
- KG
January 9th, 2007Here is a link to a forum with some gym owners and coaches discuss WBV in a very candid way…dangers, units, questions etc.
It makes for an interesting read.
Hopefully they will see the benefit of adding their input to this forum.
http://www.michaelboyle.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=478&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
KG
- Nick Morris
January 9th, 2007Hi KG, Yes I am partnered with that group
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December 18th, 2006
Elle, If you are in New Zealand - get down to one of Lloyd’s facilities ASAP (www.vibra-train.co.nz)
If you are in California, I have a facility in Santa Monica and San Jose.
If you are in other parts of the USA - let’s talk about financing you a unit, and more importantly getting you up to speed in terms of education so that you can safely , comfortably and enjoyably use a unit for maximum results and benefit.
I will send you an email.
Every commercial vendor will try and put a finance package for you. Don’t worry with that. More important is to ensure the correct fit of machine with regards specification to your aims/goals and ensuring you have the right knowledge to implement the correct exercise action on it.
What are your goals/aims?