http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/01/vibration-training-vs-vibration-therapy

From that you should be able to know what you want/can get/afford and we can help narrow it down for you depending in what country you live in etc… ( something else you didnt mention )

And no , no comparisions done yet that are not marketing scams.

http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2007/05/choosing-a-vibration-machine-for-home

http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2009/01/whole-body-vibration-just-like-buying-a-car

“What vibration machine is good?”

I think you are going to have to be a little more descriptive than that.

Its like saying.. ” What car is good ?”

Read a few of the articles under “topics” at the top of the page that refer to what questions you want answered.

If you dont find the exact answers you need get back to us . By then you will know exactly what you are looking for and we can help.

(1) Vibration does not equal Vibration Training.

(2) Movement is not automatically “training”

Here is my main concern with TurboSonic….

They preach that all you have to do to get all the benefits reported from Vibration Training is vibrate the muscle. They do this by getting you to stand on the plate lock legged and let the natural resonance of the body “jiggle” the muscle. They record the optimum jiggle through EMG activity and claim its “training” the muscle ?

A quote from deep in their site…..

..vibration treatment with different Fqs elicits muscle activation (EMG) of various body parts. Therefore it can be suggested that vibration treatment induces muscle activation and therefore muscle training ”

Note: An EMG will go off if I simple shake the body part being tested.

They constantly tell people other devices that use motors or higher Fqs are dangerous but use published studies done on them to say how great it can be ?

The whole thing stinks !!!

Note: TurboSonic should increase circulation , bone density and other therapy values but its not ‘Training” by any stretch.

I have other marketing issues with them about claims they have had on their site at various times I have recorded, I will address those properly in the future when all the worst companies get listed together on one page.

I think you misunderstand my posts. I put that negative stuff out there for 3 reasons…

(1) Warn the consumer of these tactics used by marketers and researcher to keep themselves employed.

(2) Fire a warning shot across researchers bows that we will expose them publically when they compromise our industry.

(3) Let researchers who are not like that know they can approach us and their work wont be skewed for marketing.

I believe there are plenty of honest scientist out there who are tired of the political bullshit that goes on in universities. I wish for the IVTRB to become a beacon for them.

I am slowly pulling the pieces together now , and when it happens it will go off like a bomb. Just be patient.

The good news is that the rest of the world knows better. We will always have skeptics, haters, and doubters. Yet for every one of them we get 1,000 people that see and feel results from WBV and say other wise. That Lloyd is why you have poured your heart and soul into this. You motivated me to stay strong and have faith in our efforts– don’t get bitter on me now.

I agree that some scholars are so cuaght up in their titles that they forget what they got that title for. Its not status or prestige but to look at everything from a scientific approach. Some people just dont know how to seaprate their personal opinions from their professional ones. I thrive off of thier doubt because I hate being told Im wrong when I know otherwise. Get your head back in the game!

On the flip side– not all schools have been corrupted by the almighty dollar sign. One school here has been doing incredible research on WBV for the same reasons we are pushing business ethics. Like us they believe we have a very useful tool in our possession that may offer relief from uncured illnesses and degenerative joint damage caused by modern fitness equipment. It’s a school of Kinesiology that has a very open mind and a full lab ready for testing. All of their equipment was donated or already purchased through grants. It makes more sense for them to test my products and give their PhD students a chance to interact with tomorrow’s technology than to haggle for a grant that may take years to get.

I wrote a short yet comprehensive contract that lists all of the testing I want performed. All requests are for honest results, no skews/ no gimmicks–results good or bad will be published. If my products have potential to harm people, I sure as hell want to know about it. If WBV has the potential to help, I will do everything in my power to make sure that it gets into the hands of those that need it.

Additionally, I don’t like being bound to out-dated contra indications- I have taken my machines to orthopedic surgeons (I used to do Orthopedic DME sales for their patients out of surgery). One thing you must keep in mind is that some of these contra indications for WBV were created over 20 years ago. Medicine and DME has come so far since then, how can we not question the advancements and apply them here? So I took an MVPRO to one surgeon who put his post op total knee and hip replacement patients through a training regimen. I noted that I did not recommend it because it may compromise the structural integrity of their artificial joints. Really, I was just adhering to old contra-indications. I just didn’t one any one hurt on my watch. His response “I installed and helped design these joints, let me be the one to make that decision”. The verdict: Some new joints can hold up to the vibrations but only at the lower speeds (This was done on a pivotal platform so I have no idea how this holds up for lineal WBV).

My point here is that we should stop wasting our time bashing each other for shady business practices and work together to figure out all of the uncertainties. Our progress would be so much faster if we worked together to find a solution, not market false claims that make WBV look bad.

THE GOAL: Get enough studies performed to get these devices approved as FDA class 2 devices. Then let the medical community take it from there and find all of its beneficial applications. Forget the money!—if we can all get together and do that then the money will come to us later.

I am proposing a joint effort- Who wants to be a part of it?

(1) Unethical/dishonest and only out for future grant money ( witnessed on this site ).

(2) Unwilling to listen/learn from the developers themselves.

(3) Lazy and lacking background research.

(4) Every tests they want to do is a repeat of a already published positive test from overseas ( basically a form of plagiarism in my opinion ).

The amount of time they spend fooling people into thinking they are remotely knowledgeable about a subject they have only read about is incredible and as a result have held back our industry for years.

And sorry I don’t years to teach them the basics.
I have had top academics say ……..

” this technology cant work as its no aerobic ”

“there is no such thing as an involuntary reflex ”

“what’s the difference between Pivotal and Lineal ?”

” can we jump up and down on your machines ?”

And these are academics who wanted machines off me ?
Until I find one with a better attitude towards safety ,significance in design and research relevent to my concerns, I wont be touching them , and only marketers with the same low standards and self serving goals would deal with them.

That’s my 2 cents worth.